Some details regarding ATT and the SXSW festival: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/03/sxsw-cell-phone-service-coverage.html
<http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/03/sxsw-cell-phone-service-coverage.html>This video is cheesy, but explains well: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fQAEd3fjhY&feature=player_embedded> ryan On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Hooper <[email protected]> wrote: > The 300,000 people is spread over 3 days. Only a subset of those will > have smart phones/PDAs/laptops, and even a smaller subset of those will > want to get online. My primary target is the 100 or so vendors. > > > Greg Ihnen wrote: > > How many of those 300,000 will be connected simultaneously? Isn't the > limit of what a Bullet can adequately handle somewhere around 30 clients? So > with three Bullets what you'll be able to support is around 90 simultaneous > clients. > > > > I think you'd be better off to use clusters of NS2Locos arranged radially > as sectors (plus ethernet switches, power supplies etc), and you're going to > need something (MT?) for bandwidth management and also a pretty big pipe to > feed it all. It might even be worthwhile to only allow traffic on web and > email ports. Who knows what people are going to connect to your network. > Someone with a Bittorrent client running? Someone with a Mac doing their > iDisk backup? A PC doing a Carbonite or Mozy backup? > > > > If you don't pull this off well you'll just frustrate a lot of people and > yourself. > > > > Greg > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charles Hooper wrote: > > > > > >> Oh yeah, I'm doing this for free. I don't really have any hardware other > >> than a Bullet with an omni that a friend gave me. I planned on buying > >> some equipment and I don't mind, provided I can use it for other > >> projects after this one, but I'd like to keep the budget under $300 (if > >> that's laughable, do let me know!) > >> > >> My thoughts were to use NS5Ls for the backhaul and up to three > >> well-placed 2.4 Bullets w/ omnis, but the fewer the better. > >> > >> > >> Josh Luthman wrote: > >> > >>> Nanos would be cheaper then MT wouldn't it? > >>> > >>> On 4/17/10, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Marlon's idea is good. Put a high 5.8 omni at the crossroads. Put > some 5.8 > >>>> cpe at a few different places with 2.4 low power radios connected to > them. > >>>> A P2P to the crossroads system from your demark would complete the > system. > >>>> > >>>> You could do it with Deliberant radios, or Mikrotik quite easily. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > >>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:08 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal > strength? > >>>> > >>>> I use a 24dB grid for a project like this. We can get to a laptop > (in > >>>> open air) about a mile away this way ;-). It's pretty cool. > >>>> > >>>> You'd never be able to handle the volume that way though. > >>>> > >>>> I'd probably try to go with REALLY low powered omni or sectors with a > LOT of > >>>> > >>>> them. 5 gig 802.11 a and b/g. I'd also run a 5 gig system over the > top of > >>>> it for backhaul. > >>>> > >>>> Unless you are doing this for free. Then put in what you've got > that's > >>>> cheap and go from there. > >>>> marlon > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Charles Hooper" <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:27 AM > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Internet for festival: Laptop/PDA signal strength? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> Every year in July we have a fairly large, 3-day festival in town > with > >>>>> over 100 vendors and over 300,000 visitors. I'm teaming up with a > local > >>>>> non-profit that I'm involved with to try to provide Internet access > to > >>>>> those vendors, as well as any of those 300,000 people with > >>>>> smartphones/PDAs who feel the need to get online. Essentially, the > area > >>>>> I want to cover is in green on this map (plus the pier): > >>>>> > >>>>> http://sailfest.org/images/page/sailfest2009_event_guide.gif > >>>>> > >>>>> For a sense of scale, those green sections are only about 400 feet > long > >>>>> and are (mostly) flat and the buildings around them are made of > brick. > >>>>> There will be tents and stands all along the street. This is one of > the > >>>>> areas: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://sailfest.org/images/page/vendorarea_03.jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> If I put a Ubiquiti bullet in that intersection of the green area > with > >>>>> an omnidirectional antenna, I have very little doubt that its signal > >>>>> will get wherever it needs to go, but will people's laptops and PDAs > >>>>> have a problem with connections at that range? Or should I put a > >>>>> repeater halfway down those streets, or even for this use case use a > >>>>> Mesh network design? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>>> Charles > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>>>> > >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ---- > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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