A good starting point would be if Mikrotik would lay off the "Linux on
underpowered embedded hardware" shtick for a dev cycle or two and make
a board using the Broadcom BMC56330 chipset for Layer3
switching+MPLS/VPLS.
If they can't port their software they could bolt on a existing OEM
router OS like ZebOS...

It feels like we are on the cusp of a routing revolution here. Chips
for Layer3 switching seem to be far more commoditized than they were
in the past where someone like Cisco would have to roll a ASIC. We
just need a vendor to glue the pieces together an sell us something...

The RB1100 is especially disappointing when you consider that they
could have used a different switchchip and had 70Gbps of IPv4/v6
hardware routing, ACL processing, MPLS, etc and jacked the price up by
a few K.
</tangent>

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling...
>
> There is nothing on the market place that is affordable  that will do
> what you are looking for.
>
> Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your
> favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP
>
> For Core Router in the Cisco world you are looking at something with a
> G1 or G2 engine ... (7206vxr or small 7301) range $5k to 10K on the used
> market place.
>
> In Juniper Land... M10i or an M20 (if you like redundancy...) cost on
> the secondary markets about $8 to $10k
>
> You could use a Mikrotik Power Router.. cost $ 2500 to $5000
>
> Only the Cisco 7301 and Mikrotik are small and consume little power...
> Everything else is big and consumes power.
>
> Most common, cost efficient network design would be to use GigE Switches
> in a ring or your favorite network topology, with one or two Routers
> located at DataCenters or NOC...
>
>
> If you find some other solution, that can do what you are looking for,
> please share it with us, cause we have been looking too... what I am
> sharing above with you is what we have found so far.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 7:16 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
>> Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 
>> switches...
>> You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to
>> RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or
>> greater you aren't going to find that.
>>
>> The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and can have 48 GigE ports. You
>> should be able to get it for $30-50K.
>>
>> Alternatively you could try a multihop BGP setup like Cogent has been
>> known to do.
>> Setup one BGP session between the customer and your Layer 3 switch at
>> the tower. This carriers a route for your border router/route
>> reflector to the customer and vice versa.
>> Then setup a BGP session between the customer and your border
>> router/route reflector.
>>
>> Or you could drag MPLS into it but 2 simple BGP sessions seems like
>> the most straightforward solution to me.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Matt Jenkins<[email protected]>  
>> wrote:
>>> I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports
>>> with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> For those who wonder why.... I am upgrading all of my backhauls to
>>> support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections
>>> to customers from this ring of backhauls.
>>>
>>> - Matt
>>>
>>>


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