On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Fred Goldstein <[email protected]> wrote: > At 9/17/2010 01:51 PM, Greg wrote: >>Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free?
There is a DL for it. >> >>I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's >>no contest. RouterOS wins. Exactly, there is little comparison for ROS and DD-WRT. OpenWRT is comparable as it can do everything MT can do, it just takes a lot more work. DDWRt should be able to but its built tree is so messed up that I do not know if you can even get a x86 version to compile. > > Vyatta sells prepackaged routers at a much larger size than MikroTik, > and should even support 10G Ethernet uplinks. Whether their flavor > of Linux does anything to make this possible that RouterOS doesn't, I > don't know. It may just be that MT never tried to built on a big > multicore server. We'll see... it's all just Linux anyway. Its the glue that makes the products most different. MT's CLI and Winbox do set it above *WRT, and at least on par with Vyatta. > > OpenWRT is a parallel fork to DD-WRT, both loosely derived from the > original WRT sources. They've added different features and don't > seem to be all that friendly... your basic Linux fork situation. Do not let them hear you say that. OpenWRT is a true open linux. DD-WRT used to be very closed source and has gone to a closed paid system for atheros based gear (and gateworks iirc). > > What I'm still confused about is how RouterOS can be based on Linux > yet not have open source code. Where's MT hiding it? By claiming that they do not alter the original sources at all. What MT basicly has is the glue of the cli and winbox and paid for atheros driver which is not open source. I'm sure there are some other things in MT that are the same way, BSD licensed or not open source to start with. To comply with the sharing rule they say they do not modify it at all, and provide links in the license doc. > >>Greg >> >>On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> > Several threads have suggests Mikrotik over Vyatta. Cheaper and >> > better. I have not used Vyatta. >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> At 9/17/2010 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Sounds to me like they are not familiar with RouterOS. >> >>> >> >>> Mikrotik's RouterOS does just about everything that you can imagine in >> >>> a layer 2 and layer 3 network device. It does not perform all of >> >>> these tasks flawlessly, but the platform is more then usable. Just >> >>> need to watch out for the "gotchas". >> >> >> >> You're right.. I'm not all that familiar with RouterOS yet. I'm doing >> >> the design now and want to make sure that RouterOS can do what I want >> >> it to do. Of course there's always OpenWRT or DD-WRT but they don't >> >> seem to do as much yet. And RouterOS allows virtualization, so we >> >> can presumably test WRT hacks in a virtual partition without bringing >> >> down the production net. >> >> >> >> UBNT has a little CPU too but it just comes with, I think, Kamikaze, >> >> and nobody seems to take it seriously. Down on the ground, something >> >> bigger like Vyatta should be able to handle all of the real routing >> >> load. So I want to take each of the subscriber CPE radios (probably >> >> all UBNT) and make each one a VLAN, switched back to the big router >> >> that sits near the fiber. This is a little out of the usual "route >> >> everywhere" box. >> >> >> >>> Josh Luthman >> >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> >>> 1100 Wayne St >> >>> Suite 1337 >> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Butch Evans >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 11:29 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: >> >>>>> Glad to hear it's working. My plan is to put a router at the core and >> >>>>> run layer 2 beyond. How flexible is RouterOS for setting up lots of >> >>>>> VLANs? >> >>>> >> >>>> VERY flexible. >> >>>> >> >>> >> http://blog.butchevans.com/2010/02/to-tag-or-not-to-tag-that-is-the-question/ >> >>>> >> >>>>> I'm thinking of using HWMP+ to automatically create paths ("route", >> >>>>> but not in the IP layer) them across the network ("mesh", in the >> >>>>> literal topological sense). 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