Faisal, Thank you for taking the time to search and locate the prefix for the FCC ID. That prefix does indicate that the amplifier is certified as part of a kit using the WLAN-LCUSB-03 wireless adapter. So if Greg wants to extend the range of his computer using this particular adapter on Channel 6 then this complete kit (or similar) will be legal for him to use. From L-Com's website "The USB 802.11g adapter included with this kit is a L-com WLAN-LCUSB-03. This adapter features a reverse polarity SMA antenna port for use with the included rubber duck antenna. For proper operation, the drivers and wireless utility included on the CD in the kit must be installed. Note: The USB wireless adapter included with this kit is factory set to operate on channel 6 only." Greg hasn't advised whether this is the use that he wants to put this kit to so I await further information from him regarding his intended use. By the way, it seems rather unfortunate (or perhaps very deliberate) that L-Com also includes on the same webpage the following: Similar Products In Stock 100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC Connectors 100 mW 2.4 GHz 802.11g Indoor WiFi Amplifier, RP-TNC Connectors Your Price: $129.90 Availability: In Stock So here they are advertising the same line of amplifiers NOT as part of a certified kit but all alone. Yet it is illegal to sell amplifiers that are not part of a certified kit, right? No, it is legal to sell them if they are "replacement" amplifiers intended to replace a amplifier that IS part of a certified kit but in which the original amplifier has failed and needs replacement. Is L-Com truly being ethical here and following the law or are they deliberately making it possible to buy amplifiers which are legal only under very limited, not-really-very- useful for legitimate WISP conditions? You decide. And then there are their 25-watt 2.4 GHz amplifiers that are sold NOT as a part of any certified kit. Is that ethical? Well, they include the language "These amplifier products are available only for export, military, licensed amateur radio and OEM component sales and are not offered for general sale within the USA.". I guess that make it OK, right? jack On 10/14/2010 12:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: -------- From L-Com's website.... Product Description:- Note: This Hyperlink bi-directional amplifier is designed for burst half-duplex operation. It is not intended for constant transmit or CW operation. Operation of the amplifier in CW mode will damage the amplifier and void the warranty.FCC PART 15 NOTICE: This amplifier can be used only in a system which it has obtained authorization. The authorized systems by FCC Identifier are as follows: MYF ============================================================================ From FCC's Website. --------------- https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=97587&fcc_id='MYF-WL2401' -------------- ..... So what exactly are we discussing ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom On 10/14/2010 3:01 PM, Jack Unger wrote:Greg, I hate to use the word "hate" because that's an emotion best saved for people who engage in really, really, really bad practices so let me just say that companies that lie about what they are sell (telling people that it's legal when it's not) are about the worst of the worst kind of people. I've looked at L-Com's webpage in the past and my impression was that they were lying with their words by implying that sales and use of their products was legal when it appeared to not be legal. Looking at the page (and similar higher-power amp pages) that you pointed out, it sure looks like IF they are not lying outright they are at least trying to use a sneaky (lying) method of getting around the FCC rules. Selling an amplifier as part of a kit with a USB wireless card that only works on Channel 6 and including a rubber duck antenna that fits on the USB card makes no logical sense therefore leading me to the conclusion that inclusion of the USB card is just a dodge to create a "kit" that really allows them to sell amplifiers. They call their amps "certified" but nowhere that I can see do they say the amplifier is "FCC certified". To cut to the chase, just call them and ask them for the FCC ID number of the "kit" that you want to purchase. All the other mumbo-jumbo on their webpage ("no FCC forms needed", etc.) is just bullshit calculated to confuse potential buyers into thinking that the amplifier purchase and use is legal. Last but not least, for what purpose do you plan to use the amplifier? 9 times out of 10 there is a better and more effective way to get the results that you need. jack 818-227-4220 On 10/14/2010 11:33 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:I'm sure some people will be saying "oh not this discussion again" but I've just got to ask. L-Com is selling "FCC certified systems" and they go into detail to explain that their system are available without license or special requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. Clicking on a link in their email brings you here http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975&CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP with amplifier and antenna which the FCC could determine it's eirp and overall compliance and certify. But it's a wireless NIC for a computer with an antenna, and a bare amplifier. There's no way the FCC could take cable loss and antenna gain into account. The amps go from 100mW to 1W. How can this possibly be certified if the amp isn't paired with an antenna? What 1W amp and antenna combination could possibly yield a legal eir p? The antenna would have to be a leaky dummy load. It surprises me that this could be viewed as a "system" by the FCC andwould receive certification to be put in the hands of the general public. It seems to be that the sale of these "systems" would be a bane to the WISP community. Are these truly FCC certified? Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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