At 12/23/2010 03:41 PM, ScottR wrote:
I am not sure regulated or unregulated monopolies are a good thing.
Locally the water company put pipe in the ground 50+ years
ago. Because they are monopoly they have no competition. So, no
need to provide better service today than yesterday. So now they
have pipes breaking all the time and they patch the holes.
Monopolies exist because some things just don't work competitively.
You can't really expect two water companies to dig up the streets and
pull water pipes. The pipes may be old and creaky but there is no
way that two sets will work better. This is the so-called natural monopoly.
The telcos were essentially given statutory monopolies on almost
everything from 1934 to 1959 or so, at which point competition was
very gradually opened up. (More details are in Chapter 2 of The
Great Telecom Meltdown.) What had been entirely a natural monopoly
in 1934 had in fact become a de jure artificial one, and I would
agree with y'all that those are a bad idea. Competition should not
be banned. However, just because something is legal, that doesn't
make it possible. That's the point of regulated utilities: That
which cannot be competitive is regulated.
Telephone is the same. Since VZ had no competition, they did not
have to provide better service today than yesterday. So now they
have wire in the ground that is ancient and the static is terrible
in some areas. The fix is to for each customer that calls and
complains enough, they find the bad spot and run a new piece of Cat3
wire from pedestal A to pedestal B and hang it on the fence so
hopefully the local farmer or road crew won't catch it in the mower.
I would argue that had these companies had competition they would
have maintained the infrastructure to be able to provide the best
possible service to avoid losing customers. So how did the consumer
win in these instances?
It has been legal to compete with Verizon since 1996, as it was
before 1934. But the only real competition to their wire is a)
cable, which the FCC prohibited phone companies from owning, thus
creating the duopoly; and b) radio, which is what CMRSs and WISPs
do. But nobody is going to pull more wire in about 98% of
places. The numbers just don't work. There are exceptions, of
course, but they don't define the nature of the business. That's why
ILEC loop plant (not their retail services, whether dial tone or
Internet) should be a regulated utility.
On 12/23/2010 3:06 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
At 12/23/2010 02:19 PM, MDK wrote:
That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak.
NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through
the door and in the tent with you.
Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth
specifications, and so on would be the rest of the camel in the tent.
At that point, you don't control your own network, prices, or
service. You merely manage a utility that's either going to be
the surviving monopoly or go under, as the regulators continue to
raise your costs by demanding more from you, while regulating your revenues.
Actually, regulated utilities are a good thing. That's the point
of there being a utility: It provides a necessary service to the
public whose value is largely external to the utility itself, and
which is not normally competitive. Hence it is usually regulated
in a manner that ensures a fair profit for investors, while
protecting consumers against price gouges. These are usually safe
investments, so called "widows and orphans" stocks.
However, it's necessary to define what is and what isn't a
utility. Telephone companies are traditionally treated as
utilities, though they no longer wish to be, except when it
convenes them. ISP, in contrast, were created as the customers of
the telephone utility, protected *from* misbehavior *by* the
utility by regulation. The lifting of that utility-like rule -- in
particular, Computer II -- led to the neutrality kerfuffle.
Regulating ISPs per se *as* utilities, while popular among those
who, for instance, created that silly mock tiered-service flyer in
2006, is a different issue. ISPs are being used as substitutes for
utilities, because the Bells offer ISP services and have withdrawn
their utility services. That does not argue against regulation of
all utilities; it argues for maintaining a distinction between
utility and customer.
Because the FCC failed again to cite the Title II common carrier
function as a basis for its rules, and maintains an artificial
integration of content and carriage when the content is an ISP, its
new regulations are likely to be voided. If they had cited a Title
II function, it would have been unlikely to impact WISPs, who have
never been Title II carriers.
If you don't think they'll do that, please research "obamacare"
where in a short period of time, insurers are allowed to: Sign
people up. They will not be able to set their own rates, design
their own product, or benefit from efficient operations - as
required ratio of incoming to outgoing dollars is specified.
I'll bet some of you even thought it was a good idea at the time,
as long as it's not YOUR business.
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From: <mailto:[email protected]>RickG
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:58 AM
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Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to
report anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues
spirit of capitalism & freedom that this country was founded upon.
Sorry to sound extreme but what will they force us to do next?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > wrote:
I don't think form 477 has anything to do with breaking anything.
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On 12/22/2010 12:44 AM, RickG wrote:
The first step to breaking the net was form 477.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > wrote:
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can "fix" what you broke by half-baked notions of
government
created markets...
There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated.
Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of what
should never
have been done in the first place.
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> Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are no longer
> required to be common carriers. They built their network using
> common carrier privileges. They got their market share using common
> carrier privileges. And then they turned around and got their
> common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt
> Cheney-Rove FCC. So now they control the content on their wires, and
> you can't lease them. That's just wrong. And the Genachowski FCC
> isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have the power
> to do so. We do need a national common carrier utility. There is a
> clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are content, not
> carriage. And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver content
> over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and
without being one.
>
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