At 12/23/2010 02:19 PM, MDK wrote:
That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak.
NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through
the door and in the tent with you.
Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth
specifications, and so on would be the rest of the camel in the tent.
At that point, you don't control your own network, prices, or
service. You merely manage a utility that's either going to be the
surviving monopoly or go under, as the regulators continue to raise
your costs by demanding more from you, while regulating your revenues.
Actually, regulated utilities are a good thing. That's the point of
there being a utility: It provides a necessary service to the public
whose value is largely external to the utility itself, and which is
not normally competitive. Hence it is usually regulated in a manner
that ensures a fair profit for investors, while protecting consumers
against price gouges. These are usually safe investments, so called
"widows and orphans" stocks.
However, it's necessary to define what is and what isn't a
utility. Telephone companies are traditionally treated as utilities,
though they no longer wish to be, except when it convenes them. ISP,
in contrast, were created as the customers of the telephone utility,
protected *from* misbehavior *by* the utility by regulation. The
lifting of that utility-like rule -- in particular, Computer II --
led to the neutrality kerfuffle.
Regulating ISPs per se *as* utilities, while popular among those who,
for instance, created that silly mock tiered-service flyer in 2006,
is a different issue. ISPs are being used as substitutes for
utilities, because the Bells offer ISP services and have withdrawn
their utility services. That does not argue against regulation of
all utilities; it argues for maintaining a distinction between
utility and customer.
Because the FCC failed again to cite the Title II common carrier
function as a basis for its rules, and maintains an artificial
integration of content and carriage when the content is an ISP, its
new regulations are likely to be voided. If they had cited a Title
II function, it would have been unlikely to impact WISPs, who have
never been Title II carriers.
If you don't think they'll do that, please research "obamacare"
where in a short period of time, insurers are allowed to: Sign
people up. They will not be able to set their own rates, design
their own product, or benefit from efficient operations - as
required ratio of incoming to outgoing dollars is specified.
I'll bet some of you even thought it was a good idea at the time, as
long as it's not YOUR business.
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From: <mailto:[email protected]>RickG
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to
report anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues
spirit of capitalism & freedom that this country was founded upon.
Sorry to sound extreme but what will they force us to do next?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think form 477 has anything to do with breaking anything.
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On 12/22/2010 12:44 AM, RickG wrote:
The first step to breaking the net was form 477.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can "fix" what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...
There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated.
Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of what should never
have been done in the first place.
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> Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are no longer
> required to be common carriers. They built their network using
> common carrier privileges. They got their market share using common
> carrier privileges. And then they turned around and got their
> common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt
> Cheney-Rove FCC. So now they control the content on their wires, and
> you can't lease them. That's just wrong. And the Genachowski FCC
> isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have the power
> to do so. We do need a national common carrier utility. There is a
> clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are content, not
> carriage. And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver content
> over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and without
being one.
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