At 8/5/2011 08:20 PM, LeonZ wrote: >On 8/5/2011 8:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > > At 8/5/2011 07:44 PM, you wrote: > >> Well after the acquisition, yes :-) > > Yeah, this one scares me. Paetec had rolled up a lot of nice > > facilities. Here in Massachusetts, when GlobalNAPs was shut down a > > few years ago, Paetec stepped up and provided nearly-continuous > > service. Windstream, on the other hand, was created by banksters who > > wanted to milk USF and flout pro-competition laws. Now they're using > > their subsidy money to buy up honest competitors. >I can't really talk about things and in any event I don't known anything >anyway :-) I'm just a lowly grunt.
Employees are the victims in deals like this. I extend my sympathies and hope you find good employment should you find yourself the victim of "synergy". > >> U don't need to get numbers from incumbents etc. The nice thing > >> about VoIP is u don't need separate numbers you can have multiple > >> channels per "trunk" > > I'm basically a CLEC consultant. I NEVER use incumbents if I can > > help it. But CLECs with SIP and local numbers aren't available > > everywhere, and paying for a long-haul circuit to have a > > long-distance telephone number, just because it's delivered in SIP, > > makes no sense. >to me incumbent is any of the big boys, ILEC or CLECs. Uh, no. Incumbent has a real meaning. Conflating ILECs and CLECs is like saying that the major political parties are fundamentally identical. ILECs are the inheritors of a valuable outside plant built as a statutory monopoly with guaranteed profits -- no more a "business" than operating an interstate highway. CLECs invested risk capital to break that monopoly and provide customers with superior service at better prices. Some are big, some little, and some are better than others, but the divide between CLEC and ILEC is as wide as the Pacific Ocean and as deep as the Marianas Trench. >If you have a >circuit already you can do VoIP and if it's on an MPLS (private network) >you can have QOS etc. Voip.ms and vitelity are two of many VoIP >providers of SIP and/or IAX trunks. Voip.ms even has multiple sip >servers around the country to minimize latency. Whoa. I'm talking about connections to the PSTN, not tie lines between your own sites. You can of course use PRI as a tie line, but that's most often done via MPLS. The PSTN, however, is currently delivered in TDM by incumbents everywhere, and in SIP by CLECs in some places. That's all I was saying -- if you're in New York City or even a Tier 3 market key city, you can probably get SIP from a CLEC. But there are rate centers that vitelity isn't going to deliver, and they resell a bunch of CLECs. And they can cost more than a local CLEC or even in some cases ILEC, especially when you have to backhaul them. > > Of course PRI gives you lots of channels per trunk too. It's very > > flexible. It just doesn't share a pipe with data. So mixed > > voice-data EELs usually aren't PRI. >EEL? Yeah on the PRIs but I'm a believer in VoIP instead of TDM. You can use any protocol on an EEL -- IP is merely a multiplexing header, not a protocol, so if you want to use VoIP to deliver the local service on an EEL, you can. Or TDM, or ATM, or MPLS, or Carrier Ethernet, or whatever else you prefer. > > But it is possible to run PRIs on Asterisk. >In an Ed McMahon voice, " That is correct sir..." but getting the >interface cards are potentially expensive whereas the others (SIP >devices, ATAs, etc) are relatively inexpensive on the low end. True. PRI cards cost more. Lower volume, etc. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
