Agreed. The technology is different, the model is different, the reasons
are different.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 1/31/2012 2:13 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Tom,
I have sat in on planning these networks with Time
Warner and Comcast. The way they are building these versions they will
work for their purposes. Trust me I have built a couple of large scale
muni networks JIn regards to the mounting issues, so long as they have
above ground outside plant life will be good for them. These nodes
mount on the suspended messenger wire, not the poles. That means they
can just attach them to their existing lines. I'm not saying that it
will be easy but it's much easier than someone else trying to build
given the fact that they already occupy the space on said poles. They
are also planning to ink deals with local businesses to mount nodes
when necessary. Since they will be wiring every node to their network
for backhaul, there is no requirement for any wireless meshing, just
connectivity to the client device. They do not necessarily plan to
have a contiguous network market wide, just where there are likely to
be high concentrations of users. This also not meant to be a network
that will hand off connections from node to node at highway speeds.
They are assuming a relatively stationary user of the system.
This whole design philosophy is quite different from
the muni Wi-Fi networks most of us think about. The real reason they
are building these is to keep customer churn down by offering existing
broadband and video customers a free mobility component in areas they
are likely to need it. I would expect they will also later ink some
roaming deals will cellular carriers but that is not on their initial
radar as of now. They will be using nodes that have smart channel
selection capability which will pick the quietest channel. In some
cases there are also plans to include the 5 gig spectrum as consumer
devices are now showing up on the market capable of using both bands.
I would not be so quick to dismiss this iteration of
outdoor Wi-Fi. It's coming; they have combined an extra 3.5 billion
dollars they just received from selling spectrum to Verizon. They are
hiring plenty of skill to build this properly and/or fix issues that
arise. It's change and it's coming. There is enough at stake to have
to make this work. Cellular needs a successful deployment strategy for
outdoor Wi-Fi to work as well for their offload needs. The
manufacturers have a lot of radios they want to sell so they have to
make it work now. Outdoor Wi-Fi will not go away now, you can take
that bet to the bank. You may not like or want that to happen but it's
going to just the same.
When people say it can't happen I just remind myself
of how many times I have said that over my wireless career and how
many times I was proven wrong. Heck just a few months ago people were
complaining that the spectral mask in TVWS was not going to allow for
any reasonable speed offerings, yet now all of the sudden we have
manufacturers coming up with designs that work. Everything changes and
they change faster when more money is at stake.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
*From:*Tom DeReggi [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:46 AM
*To:* [email protected]; WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Yes, a typical tactic for the sole purpose to destroy the RF
environment, and scare high ARPU businesses and investors from
trusting third party unlicensed wireless providers solutions.
Its all about fear factor.
But Just like any other large scale MUNI network, it wont work, and
will be to costly to maintain, and the bad press will incourage the
Cable Cos to shut down the networks instead of continueing to damage
their brand's reputation as a quality high speed resildential
provider. They can plan to deploy 10,000 nodes, but planning has no
value if there is no where to put/mount them. Maybe they could mount
them inside people's homes :-) Surely, they aren't going to work
mounted on their tiny green 2ft pedestals on every corner. Surely,
they aren't going to pay landlords $200/month each to mount on 10,000
commercial building roofs. What they more likely would do is go put in
Wifi access points into the communities that they do not want to dig
up the streets and bring cable to, that the City/states are trying to
force them to do with cable, leveraging the franchise agreement
renegotiations. A attitude like, get off my back, why spend $5000 to
dig, when I can spend $200 on an access point and pretend we serve
everyone, and make it a play on all the lobbying WISPs did to say,
"wireless is good enough" for WISPs, so it must also be good enough
for Cable Cos. I could easilly see Comcast applying for USF, and using
Wireless combined with Cable.
>Time Warner is planning I believe around 10,000 node in the LA market
this year and after they get that market proven, they plan on rolling
out nationwide in their markets
Except the market wont be proven successful. Funny how history
repeats itself.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Brian Webster <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*'WISPA General List' <mailto:[email protected]> ;
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:16 PM
*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
It's not just the cellular industry. Comcast is deploying 18,000
outdoor wi-fi nodes this year and giving that service for free to
their customers to keep them happy in a mobile environment and
reduce churn. Time Warner is planning I believe around 10,000 node
in the LA market this year and after they get that market proven,
they plan on rolling out nationwide in their markets. The networks
are specifically being designed for tablets and wi-fi enabled
phones in a nomadic but not seamless mobile environment. Being
that the cable companies who sold spectrum to Verizon for 3.5
billion dollars, they are using some of that money for these
deployments.
For those in those metro markets, these carriers are planning both
2.4 and 5 GHz dual mode radios.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]
<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> *On Behalf Of *Jack Unger
*Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:00 PM
*To:* "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" w; WISPA
General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about
Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir
Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology
to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big
shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have
always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular
technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more
generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...
<http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/>
--
Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
Serving the WISP Community since 1993
www.ask-wi.com <http://www.ask-wi.com> [email protected]
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