Lol... startac is my phone, newton is my ipad....

Gino A. Villarini
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

I do...it used to say his Motorola Startac...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote:

>  ...now for  a little bit  of a distraction...
> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from a Apple Newton
> 
> Every time I see the above  tag line on Gino's email... I cannot help but 
> crack a smile...
> 
> now how many folks know what an Apple Newton was ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
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> On 10/13/2012 11:33 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> It can be done with Mk and Canopy, both support qinq
>> 
>> Sent from a Apple Newton
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:29 AM, "Tim Densmore" 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Fred,
>>> 
>>> I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're 
>>> using generic terms like "switching" and "VLAN" to describe complex 
>>> Metro-E/Carrier-E scenarios.  Standard VLANs break up broadcast 
>>> domains, but they don't create virtual circuits or provide total 
>>> isolation - this is one of the reasons I initially asked what you were 
>>> describing.
>>> Metro-e q-in-q with stag/ctag UNIs and EVCs behave much differently 
>>> than standard packet switched ethernet "dot1q" VLANs in that regard.  
>>> I'd reference the different metro-e IEEE standards if I were smart 
>>> enough to keep them all in my head or unlazy enough to look them up.
>>> 
>>> Tons of info available at metroethernetforum.org for folks who are 
>>> trying to figure out what I'm talking about.
>>> 
>>> I'd be extremely impressed to learn that you could do a decent 
>>> metro-e roll-out with ubnt and mt.  In the WISP world, I'd expect 
>>> single-tagged dot1q VLANs to be enough to differentiate customer 
>>> traffic, even in large-ish MPOP scenarios.  How many POPs generally 
>>> hang off a single network segment before hitting a router?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the interesting discussion!
>>> 
>>> TD
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2012 10:14 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.  It is allowing 
>>>> only the VLAN to go from A to B, while nothing else goes to A or B, 
>>>> and the VLAN is invisible to everyone else.  Which is really 
>>>> virtual circuit behavior; VLAN is the legacy name of the VC ID.
>>>> 
>>>> In CE switching, then, the VLAN receives no broadcasts from anyone 
>>>> else on the switch or network, and sends no broadcasts outside.  
>>>> What goes onto that mapped port, or onto a VLAN pre-tagged to go to 
>>>> that port, is totally and completely invisible to all other users.  
>>>> So it's secure enough for public safety use on a shared PMD.  This 
>>>> is different from a bridge, where broadcasts go everywhere.  One 
>>>> type of MEF service (EP-LAN) does actually emulate a LAN with >2 
>>>> ports and broadcasts among them, but the more common EPL and EVPL 
>>>> would not know a broadcast frame from anything else, since they 
>>>> just pass the MAC addresses transparently.
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