Maybe I should take this off-list but this would be a better question. What RFC or industry standard features are you referring ? Specific items! :)
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote: > Dennis is also very smart... This is a great discussion...not just about > agreement or disagreement..it is more about comparison of different > technologies, both theoretical and practice... > > Most WISP networks are rather simple and smaller when compared to the > carrier world. I believe there are some good operational lessons on both > types of network. > > > > > Faisal > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote: > > > Fred is a very smart guy and generally plays with the "big boy" versions > of what we do. I'd be careful disagreeing with him. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "LTI - Dennis Burgess" <gmsm...@gmail.com> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers > > > > > > MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create > what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the > benefit of Traffic Engineering, and internal routing giving you the best of > both worlds. Why its sometimes called Layer 2.5, as it creates tunnels > inside your routed network, giving you fail over and multiple paths. With > TE you can also reserve bandwidth etc. :) > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Fred Goldstein < fgoldst...@ionary.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > At 10/17/2012 02:26 AM, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: > >> * Fred Goldstein < fgoldst...@ionary.com > wrote: > >>> At 10/12/2012 10:23 AM, Tim Densmore wrote: > >>> There's a real market gap not quite being filled by our usual WISP > >>> vendors MT and UBNT. MT has a new CPE router with SFP support. This > >>> would be great for a regional CE fiber network. Let's say you have a > >>> building (say, Town Hall) with multiple tenants in it, each with a > >>> separate IP network (say, Town administration, Police, and School > >>> Admin). You'd want to be able to drop off one fiber with separate > >>> VLANs (virtual circuits) for each network, isolating the traffic from > >>> each other. An MEF switch is cheaper than a real Cisco router but a > >> > >> I can't speak to Ubiquiti but Mikrotik RouterOS certainly supports MPLS > >> and VPLS (and LDP and OSPF and BGP). > >> > >> The design you describe is exactly what the majority of the > >> world is using MPLS VPNs for -- utilizing, of course, LDP and BGP (and > >> occasionally OSPF between CE and PE). > >> > >> Unless I'm missing something... > > > > You're missing something. > > > > I was specifically asking about Carrier Ethernet. It's a protocol. > > MPLS is a different protocol which, in the marketplace, largely > > competes with CE. I know RouterOS supports MPLS. But CE is different. > > > > Disregarding that CE is much more multi-protocol in support than > > MultiProtocol Label Switching, whose multi protocols are, in general, > > IP and IP, CE semantics include explicit CIR and EIR support, along > > with CBS and EBS (burst size) specification, on a per-virtual-circuit > > basis. MPLS does not have CIR semantics; it just assigns relative > > priorities, and is thus fiddly when offered traffic varies. > > > > At large volumes (once you get past RouterOS into carrier-class > > products), CE is generally cheaper per bit than MPLS, at least if you > > don't buy Cisco, which pretty much owns MPLS (it's their creation). > > > > Hamburgers are not chicken, even if both are often served for lunch. > > > > > > -- > > Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > > ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > > +1 617 795 2701 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of " Learn RouterOS- > Second Edition ” > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office : 314-735-0270 Website : http://www.linktechs.net – Skype : > linktechs > > -- Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com – 900Mhz – LTE > – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace > > 5-Day Advanced RouterOS Workshop -- July 23 rd 2012 – St. Louis, MO, USA > > 5-Day Advanced RouterOS Workshop – Oct 8 th 2012 – St. Louis, MO, USA > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > _______________________________________________ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > -- *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer** Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net – *Skype*: linktechs * **-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with *www.towercoverage.com* **– 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace **5-Day Advanced RouterOS Workshop -- July 23rd 2012 – St. Louis, MO, USA<http://www.wlan1.com/RouterOS_Training_p/5d-stl-training-july2012.htm> 5-Day Advanced RouterOS Workshop – Oct 8th 2012 – St. Louis, MO, USA<http://www.wlan1.com/RouterOS_Training_p/5d-stl-training-oct2012.htm> *
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