On 1/13/2014 11:52 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
my problem with imap that i've seen is all the packrats in the world
never ever want to delete their email.
so then they have gigabytes of mail on the server dating back to 2004....
I have gigabytes of mail on my own computers dating back farther than that.
Which is precisely why I don't use IMAP. IMAP and POP are both just
protocols. But the clients that implement them tend to enforce
different expectations of how they are to be used. I'm using
Thunderbird, which is pretty popular. (I used to use Eudora, but its
IMAP was not good enough to consider; that program enhanced POP to its
limits.) For POP, it simply assumes that you're downloading the mail to
your client, keeping it there, and deleting it pretty soon from the POP
server. The server, then, is one simple holder for new mail, and it
doesn't need to store much -- a few weeks' worth, if that's what you set
the delete-after time to. It's well suited for ISPs.
But Thunderbird, like some other clients, assumes that IMAP is only used
when the server is the final permanent storage place for mail, and you
thus can't delete it from the server without deleting your local copy,
which is just a cached, sync'd copy. The server has folders, and mail
is manipulated there via IMAP. This is how some corporate mail systems
do work, where everyone at their desk at the company building is on the
LAN, and thus IT manages everyone's mail carefully. But it's not how an
ISP would probably want to work! It drastically raises storage
requirements.
Of course it is theoretically possible for a client to use IMAP as a
smarter POP, adding some useful capabilities (which Eudora had) that
standard POP omits. But often they just assume that if you use IMAP,
your mail is on a corporate server, period. Bad design.
A smartphone typically doesn't have much storage so it might be better
off using IMAP to peek into the current server-based mail that a
wireline-based client program might then pull down using POP. You
usually don't archive mail on a smartphone. So a smartphone app might
make better use of IMAP then Thunderbird does, and IMAP could be the
better choice of protocol. But it's not a clear cut answer. It looks as
if the Verizon Android Mail app has its own server which goes in between
the phone and the actual mail server. So the Android link to Yahoo mail
drops every so often even though their POP server works and their own
app probably does too.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* heith petersen <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 9:59 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] IPhone email issues
Well, thanks to our new server people we can offer both. Our old
provider wasn't able to do IMAP until real recently. So it works
both ways. On the iphone deal I map not a big deal, its just the
other settings that get skewed
thanks
heith
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 9:29 AM
*To:* Heith Petersen <mailto:[email protected]> ; WISPA
General List <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] IPhone email issues
Who uses POP? :-p
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Heith Petersen" <[email protected]>
*To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Monday, January 13, 2014 8:59:26 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] IPhone email issues
Just curious if others have been having the same issues with
IPhone over the last few weeks. I think I have seen it in the
past, but for the last 3 weeks I have been getting calls, I think
due to a recent update, of users having email issues with their
Iphones. When we walk the customer through the settings, account
types were switched from pop to IMAP, outgoing security had been
changed, as well as server ports. Settings that would never,
usually, be changed by the users. It doesn't help that these
happened during a mail conversion we were doing right before. No
calls on droids. Anyways, if this is true due to a IPhone update,
is there a way to tell the phone not to change?
thanks
heith
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