Sorry about that Sri, I couldn't resist :-) Thank you very much for your well informed thoughts on the subject. It certainly shows that you have a wealth of experience behind you.
This is of great interest to me because I have no plans to move away from Windows myself, and I've got a Windows 2003 Server (a.k.a. .NET Server) setup for testing - but just haven't had a chance to play too much it yet. There is no avoiding .NET when it comes to the future of Windows, eh. Thanks again. Cheers...... Scott Cadillac, Witango.org - http://witango.org 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Information for the Witango Developer Community --------------------- XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well-formed Development (for hire) --------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Sri Amudhanar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Microsoft Action Pack (way off topic) > > > Scott, > No, thanks for the bait! :) > But still, it is a valid question and good discussion. For > those who are > not fully informed about these things, Kernel mode programs > run at the > same privilege level as device drivers and internal OS system > processes. > When user level programs crash the OS continues chugging on. > But Kernel > level crashes as very bad and requires restart for any > confidence in the > system. Netware NLMs (except for recent userland loadable NLM) run as > kernel processes. Thats why Netware ABENDS are very distructive, and > this fear is one of the main reasons for its loss of market share. > Because Netware programmers create NLMs runnning at kernel > level, most > NW Administrators refuse to accept privately created NLMs > without full > rigorous testing and certification by Novell, due to the fear > of losing > Server stability. Heard of any inhouse NLM developer teams? > Windows NT 3.5 was the first version of Windows to adopt what > Unix was > born with, and seperate out privileges of the running > application from > the system. That brought Windows a level of stability a class > apart from > Windows 3.1. But it also stopped Windows 3.1 device drivers > from working > in NT. Win95 allowed a mix of both worlds. > Similarly for the Mac OS X, it bears the stamp of its Unix > lineage for > stability, seperating kernel mode and system level processes > from user > level process (yes, there are three levels, directly enforced by the > microprocessor hardware, specifically requiring a numeric > co-processor! > That is why you couldn't run any Unix like OS, or even WindowsNT on > Intel's processors prior to 80386, or even on 80386SX which > didn't have > a numeric-proc). > Even with TUX, it has not been overwhelmingly popular. The > fear remains, > what happens if it gets hacked! Most of us still use Apache > instead as a > user level process. Just like one has the option to run IIS > on Windows > 2003 at a user level privilege, or at a kernel level > privilege. It is an > informed decision one makes based where the depoyment is > going to be and > what the exposure is. I bring all this up here since these words have > been thrown up in various messages in the recent discussions, and it > takes some poking around to see the bigger picture. > Sri Amudhanar > 703 729 0600 > > > > Scott Cadillac wrote: > > >Hi Sri, > > > >So does that mean nobody uses "RedHat TUX for Linux" because > of the risk? > > > >Just curious. Cheers.... > > > >Scott Cadillac, > >Witango.org - http://witango.org > >403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- > >Information for the Witango Developer Community > >--------------------- > > > >XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net > >403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- > >Well-formed Development (for hire) > >--------------------- > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sri Amudhanar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:50 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Microsoft Action Pack (way off topic) > > > > > >I was informed at the Win2003 release event that IIS can now > be run in > >kernel mode for superior performance, like RedHat TUX for > Linux. TUX has > >been available for years and is mature. Some administrators > are concerned > >that if IIS security is compromised, hackers would gain > direct entry into > >the Windows 2003 kernel level processes. > >Sri > > > >Brian Mowers wrote: > > > >Dan, > >MS action pack is a great program for any developer. I am > running Server > >2003 (enterprise version) that came with the action pack > subscription this > >is a 4000.00 piece of software (retail) that does > clustering for up to 8 > >machines and load balancing. > >I had much trouble with Windows Advanced Server 2000 and > R:tango 2000. Never > >could get the tow to run happily. > > I loaded up Server 2003 using the default install and all > works great. Best > >Server OS I have ever tried. > >I would say my Witango apps now work twice as fast as under > NT 4,0 SP6. (To > >be fair I boosted the RAM memory to 1.25 GB at the same time). > > > >The action pack subscription cost me 300.00 USD/year! > >~Cheers, > >Brian Mowers > >At 12:33 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Here is the link > > > >http://www.microsoft.com/partner/actionpack > > > >Great program you get multi user licenses for > >All the MS Server OS > >XP > >XP Professional > >Vision > >Office > >Exchange Server > >Outlook > > > >And more > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
