Hi Ted,

What is your VARIABLETIMEOUT= set to?

An [Expired] entry in your log file should show some activity for that 
key "x" mintures earlier (where "x" is equal to VARIABLETIMEOUT=).

Or are you doing <@ASSIGN User$variableTimout VALUE="x"> somewhere in 
your code? This can override the VARIABLETIMEOUT= in the server.ini file.

Hope this helps. Cheers...


-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Wolfley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:59:59 -0500 
Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: witango log

> I did a random search on a few userreferences that are in the expired
> section and that is the only place that they appear. And we have had
> instances of user variables being lost but they are so random it is
> hard to
> track down the cause.
> 
> Ted
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: witango log
> 
> 
> Hi Ted,
> 
> I was just having a very similar discussion off-list with someone else.
> 
> Where you crawled by a search engine(s) this morning?
> 
> These kinds of entries are normal, but an "excessive" amount can point
> to 
> one or two things:
> 
> -----------
> ~~ Search Engines normally do not (or care about) the ability to store 
> cookies and the UserReference key used for managing User Scope
> variables 
> is a "session-cookie". Witango typically issues these keys
> automatically.
> 
> So "each page" crawl from an Engine is just like a new visitor to your 
> site. Each crawl is typically issued a new UserReference key.
> 
> This is normal behavior, and there is nothing wrong with this (other 
> platforms like PHP and ASP also use session-cookies this way) - but
> it's 
> also a good reason to not assign too many User Scope variables 
> unnecessarily. 
> 
> As a rule, I only assign a User Scope variable if I have a "very" good 
> reason to.
> 
> Note: the same above behavior can also come from robot scripts
> attacking 
> a website.
> 
> -----------
> ~~ The other reason could be that something in your code is preventing 
> the Witango server from issuing the keys properly in a managed fashion,
> and the fall back behavior of the Server is to keep issuing new ones
> (if 
> the previous ones are going missing). 
> 
> This can happen if you have any custom local$httpHeader variable 
> assignments that don't also include <@userreferencecookie>, or use it 
> properly.
> 
> ---
> The [Expired], in your logs, comes from when these previously used 
> session-cookies go unused for whatever your default expiry time is 
> (default is 30 minutes).
> 
> Open your log file in a text editor, select one of the expired key
> values 
> lower down in the file - then search "up" to see how many times that
> key 
> was used. This can help point to your problem (if any).
> 
> ---
> Do your Users sometime loose their sessions (User variables)?
> 
> Let us know, otherwise I hope this helps. Cheers...
> 
> Scott Cadillac,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Wolfley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:17:05 -0500 
> Subject: Witango-Talk: witango log
> 
> > Hi,
> >  
> > I just restarted the our witango 5.0 service on a windows 2000 server
> > because the webpages were slow in coming up.  When I looked into the 
> > witango server log, there were 4801 entries of "[Expired] Variables 
> > for key". each
> > entry had a different key.  The service was restarted 12:00am this
> > morning.
> > Are these entries normal and can a build up of userreferences slow
> down
> > the
> > server?
> >  
> > 
> > Ted Wolfley
> > Database/Internet Programmer 
> > The Ogden Group of Rochester 
> > phone: (585) 321 1060 x23 
> > fax: (585) 321 0043 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > 
> > www.ogdengroup.com <http://www.ogdengroup.com/>
> > 
> >  
> > 
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