Ditto Mark and Scott. You will find that these are all very similar. The advantage for Witango (and why we probably all got there)? THE EDITOR. You may not find the WYSIWYGs for PHP (I don't care much for the ZEND method, either) or other web apps. Coldfusion used to have one, but only on Windows. I gave up long ago and just started hand coding (even Witango) as much as I could in BBEdit.
The web world is ever-changing. It's not just about HTML and some CGI to process dynamics any more. It's a web 2.0 world <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0>, with all that entails. And I'm sure web 2.5 (or web 3.0) is just around the corner. We have to constantly be learning new things any way. Who says you need to abandon ONE to take up ANOTHER? And the "templates" already out there may be a big help in whatever method you use to "go to the web". I don't code as much as I Google for solutions now-a-days.... :) -- Beverly Voth Tier3 Data & Web Services Group, LLC 606-864-0041 http://www.tier3web.com/xml.htm Web Design & Hosting * Apple: CAN, ACN & ADC Certified FileMaker 7 & 9 Developer * FileMaker Business Alliance Coldfusion, Witango, PHP, MS SQL, MySQL, FMP, XML/XSLT, CSS Over 14 years experience integrating databases and the internet! On 10/24/08 10:27 AM, "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Thank you for your nice comments Mark, and for having such a good > memory :-) > >> Starting over again is refreshing, invigorating, keeps you young and is really quite satisfying. > > Janet, Dude and any others who are trying or waiting to make these > potentially career altering decisions, take Mark's words to heart and > read his email over a couple of times. He has summed it up well once > again. > > In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter what language > you choose. Each has their benefits and pitfalls. What matters is that > you choose one that suits your style of writing code, has a comfort > level for you (licensing and other costs, etc...) and that you're > exciting about learning what it has to offer you. Choose a language > you would be proud to be an expert in. > > Once you've got past the initial beginner stage - you'll be amazed at > how far you came in a very short period of time. > > And what also matters here, is that you're making this career > affecting decision yourself, and you're no longer waiting for someone > else, in some other company, in some other country - to handle or > carry forward your career or technology decisions for you. And do this > despite any economic or employer pressure you may feel. Otherwise > you're just setting yourselves up to always be a victim of > circumstance (which is very evident on this List). > > If you can be happy with your work; your living, your projects and > your life will fall in place behind you as you blaze this new trail. > > Remember... Witango Technologies is just a vendor. We are the > employers, and vendors are here to serve us, and if that's not working > out then we need to move on. Phil can choose to catch up to us if he > wishes, but that's up to him (not us). > > Thank you, and all the best. > > Scott Cadillac > ~ 902-624-1266 > ~ http://www.xmlx.net/ > > On Oct-24-2008, at 2:26 AM, Mark Hawk Weiss wrote: > >> Webdude, >> >> It isn't that hard, until you want to get to the finer points. I >> started first by installing MAMP on my mac. It installed just as >> advertised and I was able to get my feet wet on my laptop at my >> leisure. >> >> Then I installed on an old 386 box, Ubuntu version of Linux. I >> downloaded it, made a DVD and boom, I was running. Again, as I >> recall Ubuntu had it all, installed with no problems and I was able >> to get php code I had written on the mac to work. I think Robert is >> using some version of Fedora. I don't know that is so great about >> it, but who cares when you are just learning and playing in the >> sandbox? I was able using Navicat to configure the MySQL db on the >> Linux box and PHP was also not a problem. I had one app that I had >> written in witango, and I mapped out the business logic on a piece >> of paper and decided how I thought it should work. I first got one >> page to work, an insert, then another, a select, and then another. >> an update, all one at a time. Then I learned about includes and >> variables. For me the variables were a bit of a challenge, both in >> setting them and using them in display as well as in updates and >> inserts. But I eventually got that going, one step at a time. If I >> had to do it again to day, I bet I would have to refresh my memory. >> It wasn't that intuitive for me. Help from the web, from Robert >> Garcia in a couple of short emails. A book suggestion from Ben, read >> more examples on the web and again, little by little got it working. >> I then put some CSS in to make it look right. That was good. >> >> So a simple app, and little by little it worked. It ran on my mac >> laptop and it ran on the LAMP Server. Of course I didn't stress it, >> that wasn't the point. I proved to myself I could do it, and if I >> wanted to , I would just take it one step at a time, just like >> Witango went. >> >> Now there are all kinds of PHP stuff that I am told are so cool, and >> free that I still don't have a clue how to implement. At some point, >> if I need to , I will slug through it. One thing that is nice, when >> you have a select page that works, you start the next one like that >> and it does go a bit faster. And at some point, it would be good to >> have a mentor who had the time to show you examples. It would go >> faster then. I remember how many people on the list did that for me >> and witango in the 1.0 days. Eric Weidl and I spent a week I think >> at one point at his office in near Chicago. I worked along side of >> him and he showed me all kinds of stuff. A huge help. I am sure you >> can find someone to help you that way. There are still nice guys >> around. >> >> I never did the Zend thing. I downloaded it once when Robert told me >> to, but it was over my head so I took it off. I wasn't ready. At >> some point, I would like to learn about it since Ben and Robert rave >> about it. >> >> The point is, that you can do it. I like the advice I got from Scott >> Cadillac. Pick a language and just take it one step at a time. The >> all have their strong points and week points. He went the .net route >> and has made a great living doing that. Robert and Ben have gone PHP >> and are making a good living doing that. >> >> I think Witango has done more for you in learning a new language >> that you might think. There are lots of things you understand that >> you will be able to make connections with. Scott said there isn't a >> silver bullet as to which platform. I think he is right. IIS is >> easier to administer than Apache in some ways. but once you get >> Apache set up, it isn't that hard. Again a little help from someone >> and you will be amazed how you understand it. >> >> Starting over again is refreshing, invigorating, keeps you young and >> is really quite satisfying. I think Robert Ben and the others who >> work with him, got a huge bang out of moving to LAMP. It was a step >> up for him in every way and I think it was very satisfying to take >> the challenge, solve the problems and make it work. And so it can be >> for you. In a few years, you will be really glad you read the tea >> leaves and covered your back side. Author Jim Ferrell said, >> "Children learn more from watching someone learn, than from watching >> someone teach." So go for it. Be bold. We are all watching eagerly >> and learning by watching you learn. >> >> Mark Weiss >> http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
