Hi John,
You're right on track. Ben and I proposed this very idea years ago,
but alas it didn't go anywhere.
It's a shame too, because obviously server technologies are very set
these days. It's either Java, .NET based, PHP or ColdFusion. The
occasional radical comes along like Ruby or Python, but in my opinion
these are just blips on the scope. And even if a new server platform
could come along to supplant the kings of the hill - at this point in
the game, it would have to be free to compete.
But when it comes to a good Editor to build that code (whether PHP or
F-frigg'n #) - people will pay very good money for a kick-a** IDE that
gets their work done fast, smart and allow them to have fun at it, to
boot.
Oh well. Such is life, nobody said it would be fair.
Scott,
On Oct-24-2008, at 12:05 PM, John McGowan wrote:
Witango is Witango...
It just happens to XML as a medium for storing the programming
logic. Underneath the XML is a language, just one that you would
never write by hand... unless you were insane...
Which was a cool idea, and completely underutilized. You could do
so many cool things with it because of the XML if you wanted to. A
while back when I was starting to get really good at writing XSL
Transformations, I wrote some transforms that worked with with
witango xml (taf and tcf files). I prototyped, as a proof of
concept, an XSLT that converted some basic witango actions
(conditionals and control structures) to another language, PHP.
What's cool is that with an XSLT like this in your back pocket, you
could use witango as a RAD environment for other languages. The
J2EE product from witango is similar, but it's way more complicated,
because it also has to be capable of parsing witango's meta tags.
What I was playing with, was a system where you would abandon the
use of @tags, and instead just write straight php,jsp,asp, right
there in the witango editor. I'm sure i wasn't the only one to
think of it. I'm positive that if someone added this (very thin)
layer of functionality to the witango editor, that today there would
be PHP developers using Witango as their PHP IDE. Why? Because you
would be able to use the strongest part of the Witango system. That
being, the dev studios approach to "visual coding". there is no
other part of the witango system that sets it apart. Witango's
action approach to the top level coding view is unique, and like
"code folding on steroids"
Witango should have taken this piece, and exploited it, because I'm
sure it won't be long until some really cool PHP IDE catches up and
decides to add that extra layer of abstraction. Heck one might
already do it out there, but I haven't seen it yet. I've seen good
"code folding", but not something that works as well as the action
system in witango.
The worst part about it all, is that I beleive that the prototype
that I described above, probably violates the license agreement for
Witango, because if I remember correctly, I was told that using a
tool like JTransit was a violation of the license agreement.
And, for what it's worth, I've been emailing phil, sophie, and
support for a couple of weeks now asking for any information that
they have on running witango in a 64 bit linux environment, and have
gotten NO response from them.
/John
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:50 AM, janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So if Witango is not PHP or C+ or whatever what is it?
Is it just XML?
If so then why don't I see other products that are XML?
I ask this because when I was looking at other RAD tools they all
seem to end up with PHP, VB, or C+ or something but not XML.
Wow talk about getting back to basics.
Janet
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