Robert,
It may not appear so to some, but your statements to Phil are nothing
but a thinly veiled threat.
Phil owns the rights to these licenses and has sole control over them,
and your "assumption" and ultimatum adds up to nothing less than
extortion.
Give your head a shake.
Scott,
On Sep-22-2009, at 1:16 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
No offense to me. I just keep getting requests from people asking
for help, which would include a key. I understand their issue. They
are mostly moving off of witango, but have a need due to demands on
their own systems that requires a bridge. So one person that I know
well enough from the board asks for a key, ok. Then 10 more come. At
this point, I don't feel as comfortable, but feel horrible not
helping, when I feel they have been left in a really bad spot. I
would drop a few more thousand dollars on a key, would you?
So I felt I couldn't just leave them hanging high and dry, and I
shouldn't just pass out keys. So I have sent a message to phil and
posted, if they don't respond, then I will post them. I guess I
didn't need to add the dungeon food comment at the end, but that is
the rough edge this situation has bought out in me.
So, for the record, again:
Phil,
Many people feel stranded, and I have received more than a few
requests for license keys to help them bridge to another platform.
It is my assumption due to unreturned emails, and lack of any
updates that this product (witango application server and studio) is
dead. If the product is dead, these keys are of no use to me, and
only of temporary use to others and may be released to those
requesting. If the product is NOT dead, or there IS some update,
please inform me in public here on the list, or in private if you
wish so that I will no longer consider the product dead (EOL).
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[email protected] - [email protected]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Mark Weiss wrote:
Scott,
As much respect as I have for Robert, and I do, he isn't perfect as
we all know. We aren't either. Reminds me of a story.. Mother
having a baby. In distress. Country doctor can't be found. He
finally shows up, sees the situation acts quickly and it seems
everything was resolved. A few days later, the mother died of the
disease the doctor was treating at the home prior to arriving to
deliver the baby. The father became angry and more angry. This
doctor should have been more careful. He should not be allowed to
practice. A terrible wrong had been committed and he needed to pay
for it.
One day, this man's spiritual leader offered this council. "John,
leave it alone. Nothing you can do will bring her back. Everything
you do will only make it worse. John, leave it alone." Many years
later, the bereaved father said, "I was an old man before I could
see. I was an old man before I saw a country doctor, over worked
underpaid, saving lives for the most part, with few tools and
implements. I would have ruined his life and my own, except for the
wise counsel of my spiritual leader, "John, leave it alone."
As angry as I have been over how poorly I have been treated by Phil
at times and their company for a long time now, at this point, when
all reasonable approaches have been tried and efforts exhausted, my
giving this injustice any energy only would hurt me. It would take
away from productive pursuits I am involved in. Why hurt them?
Because I have been hurt? So I suggest, "Leave it alone. Let it
die a quiet death in our lives." Perhaps he has found a new market
in China we don't know about. Whatever his reason for his inaction
and lack of communication, let's just leave it alone and remember
the good times and enjoy the relationships we developed. Let's just
leave Phil alone.
I know from personal experience that sometimes, you just have to
walk away, mourn the loss and then move on. In time, you get over
it, the hurt I mean. As for Robert, this has led to a very very
profitable change to Zend and PHP. Others as well. If that is all
it did, isn't that really good enough? Part of a process. Nothing
more nothing less?
I suppose this pontificating may not be appreciated by all. Sorry
if it offends.
D Mark Weiss
Office 1-435-752-4265 x 126 Days
cell 435.764.3529
[email protected]
SKYPE - dadweiss
On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote:
Robert,
Witango may be a dead product, but that doesn't mean that someone
isn't still in legal control of the licensing.
To openly publish license keys is a unprofessionally stupid move
in my opinion.
Scott,
On Sep-21-2009, at 2:10 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
So I have a bunch of request for keys. I don't have a problem
sharing them, the product seems obviously dead. And the people
asking are asking for seemingly good reasons, and they are what I
would consider respected members of this group.
So I get one response, "that key didn't seem to work", etc. I
would rather not have to give tech support of this issue. So, I
will post all of my witango keys up by the end of the week. I
give to the end of the week in case someone at witango inc wants
to wake up and tell all these people looking for answers
something. If I don't here anything from witango, I am just going
to post all of my keys, and I am sure some others will follow suit.
So will the food left at the dungeon door be eaten?
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[email protected] - [email protected]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
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