But the list got active if only for a short while. Getting bored watching it.
Ted ________________________________ From: Dan Stein [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: License Keys Robert, And not to beat a dead horse but I am confused as to why this whole discussion ended up on the list. What is done off the list of course stays off the list. But putting it out there that you are going to do something you have to know is illegal just does not make sense. Why the need to make a statement to the list. This should have all stayed back channel. The thread should just end now and everyone should follow their own conscience. It would be nice to hear from Phil but thats a real long shot. Meanwhile 5.x still works and serves us well while we all obviously have been moving to PHP or something else. -- Dan Stein MSN FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 303 W. Chestnut St Souderton PA 18964 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango,MSSQL, MySQL,PHP [email protected] www.dss-db.com EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [email protected] www.dss-db.com "It is perfectly safe to stand nowhere." On Sep 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Robert, It may not appear so to some, but your statements to Phil are nothing but a thinly veiled threat. Phil owns the rights to these licenses and has sole control over them, and your "assumption" and ultimatum adds up to nothing less than extortion. Give your head a shake. Scott, On Sep-22-2009, at 1:16 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: No offense to me. I just keep getting requests from people asking for help, which would include a key. I understand their issue. They are mostly moving off of witango, but have a need due to demands on their own systems that requires a bridge. So one person that I know well enough from the board asks for a key, ok. Then 10 more come. At this point, I don't feel as comfortable, but feel horrible not helping, when I feel they have been left in a really bad spot. I would drop a few more thousand dollars on a key, would you? So I felt I couldn't just leave them hanging high and dry, and I shouldn't just pass out keys. So I have sent a message to phil and posted, if they don't respond, then I will post them. I guess I didn't need to add the dungeon food comment at the end, but that is the rough edge this situation has bought out in me. So, for the record, again: Phil, Many people feel stranded, and I have received more than a few requests for license keys to help them bridge to another platform. It is my assumption due to unreturned emails, and lack of any updates that this product (witango application server and studio) is dead. If the product is dead, these keys are of no use to me, and only of temporary use to others and may be released to those requesting. If the product is NOT dead, or there IS some update, please inform me in public here on the list, or in private if you wish so that I will no longer consider the product dead (EOL). -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [email protected] - [email protected] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Sep 22, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: Scott, As much respect as I have for Robert, and I do, he isn't perfect as we all know. We aren't either. Reminds me of a story.. Mother having a baby. In distress. Country doctor can't be found. He finally shows up, sees the situation acts quickly and it seems everything was resolved. A few days later, the mother died of the disease the doctor was treating at the home prior to arriving to deliver the baby. The father became angry and more angry. This doctor should have been more careful. He should not be allowed to practice. A terrible wrong had been committed and he needed to pay for it. One day, this man's spiritual leader offered this council. "John, leave it alone. Nothing you can do will bring her back. Everything you do will only make it worse. John, leave it alone." Many years later, the bereaved father said, "I was an old man before I could see. I was an old man before I saw a country doctor, over worked underpaid, saving lives for the most part, with few tools and implements. I would have ruined his life and my own, except for the wise counsel of my spiritual leader, "John, leave it alone." As angry as I have been over how poorly I have been treated by Phil at times and their company for a long time now, at this point, when all reasonable approaches have been tried and efforts exhausted, my giving this injustice any energy only would hurt me. It would take away from productive pursuits I am involved in. Why hurt them? Because I have been hurt? So I suggest, "Leave it alone. Let it die a quiet death in our lives." Perhaps he has found a new market in China we don't know about. Whatever his reason for his inaction and lack of communication, let's just leave it alone and remember the good times and enjoy the relationships we developed. Let's just leave Phil alone. I know from personal experience that sometimes, you just have to walk away, mourn the loss and then move on. In time, you get over it, the hurt I mean. As for Robert, this has led to a very very profitable change to Zend and PHP. Others as well. If that is all it did, isn't that really good enough? Part of a process. Nothing more nothing less? I suppose this pontificating may not be appreciated by all. Sorry if it offends. D Mark Weiss Office 1-435-752-4265 x 126 Days cell 435.764.3529 [email protected] SKYPE - dadweiss On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Robert, Witango may be a dead product, but that doesn't mean that someone isn't still in legal control of the licensing. To openly publish license keys is a unprofessionally stupid move in my opinion. Scott, On Sep-21-2009, at 2:10 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: So I have a bunch of request for keys. I don't have a problem sharing them, the product seems obviously dead. And the people asking are asking for seemingly good reasons, and they are what I would consider respected members of this group. So I get one response, "that key didn't seem to work", etc. I would rather not have to give tech support of this issue. So, I will post all of my witango keys up by the end of the week. I give to the end of the week in case someone at witango inc wants to wake up and tell all these people looking for answers something. If I don't here anything from witango, I am just going to post all of my keys, and I am sure some others will follow suit. So will the food left at the dungeon door be eaten? -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [email protected] - [email protected] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
