I have been monitoring this project for a long time now, there has been
some good threads on dbo connectors; so maybe I'm missing something here,
like what it is you are trying to do but can't, but that is how it is going
in on a thread that started off bad and just got worse, but for the most
part; people work on what they like, and priority is dictated by time, and
lets face it time is money, and a business that depends on it; would also
benefit from the solution, so if you want to pound your chest and run away
be my guest; but if you want to work on a solution, just ask the right
question, and don't expect that others will know that you asked nice this
time and not the other, but I am always doing the time, its called
technically frustrated, as happens when people do not understand the
underly API, the truth is, you can get that data anyway you want, and
that's for simplicity; but I agree it would be a great feature to have a
built in solution; but the answer I got was that layer of abstraction
should be done in the core of the application and not the API, but the work
on the dbo was actually a great way to do it, so I have to agree that its
not needed, but an extra feature; that would in itself be great; but its
another long term project to integrate db calls in an existing framework;
but these guys are smarter than that; look at the code; you can abstract it
using the dbo, unless I missed something; I was using MySQL; it seems that
code should still work; but I'm not working on it this month; but was under
the impression it wasn't broke; but I had the idea you are looking for some
promised feature I haven't heard of... so you get upset enough to continue
this thread using the same contempt and think it will hurt our feeling if
you have to go back to php or java; well... that's not going to happen, in
fact we find it amusing, but all I was asking is, what are we talking about?
In other words, what are you trying to do that requires a different
connector than the ones your able to pull from; because as far as I know,
you do not require a frame work to be bound to a data source at the API
level, but it would be nice at times, and and could be done, although if
you did, you could optimize the data pool, and data cache, and make the
syntax for a function call a one liner, and we all can agree with that; but
if your holding out for a feature that isn't on the Road Map for a project
and base your entire stock of your business on a feature that doesn't
exist, and then want to complain about it, well then php and java is the
best thing for you, but then again I don't remember a MySQL connector for
it either; and most of the CMS and other Framework engines really suck at
concurrent hits from it, which is why you need to use Wt in the first
place, and also the reason they didn't make the framework database
orientated in the first place, so it was fast and easy, and left the
database base features to the dba, but that is just a feature request; and
what's worse is that you are running on fear based on an emergency need on
your part; for an emergency last ditch, lets kick them were it hurts by
calling them Dear... deer, sounds like a Patronus from Harry Potter, I have
those running around my Ranch, the Horses don't mind them much as long as
they stay out of their hay; Dear on the other hand is another... hardly
applies to me... I'm a Retired Disabled Gulf War Veteran, Special
Operations Air Force, Helicopter Crew Chief; and a Dear is not normally how
people address me, unless they are looking for a fight, and believe me, my
PTSD runes deep, but I alway try to keep it out of threads; but I have lost
it a few times, and I sense your frustration over this same issue, so I'm
really replying to help you and not bring this to a fight, the war is not
behind me, its always just a hands length way, and the chose to make a fist
or a hand shake is measured in Words, and Words have a way of bring great
Pain, but can also bring Great Joy, and it starts with a simple gesture of
hand, and the pen is just as mighty as a sword over the Internet, so pick
your Battles well, but at least come with some information and not just the
ramblings of a wounded soul; that said, I have been a computer programmer
since 1978 and after the time I took to try to help you, by showing you how
to use the framework instead of a dream about how it should be, you spit it
back in my face with an insult like that... I just don't get some people...
but that's just me, but remember you are addressing real people, who
actually have real lives, and we do care or we wouldn't bother reading or
replying to threads like these, I jumped in because this thread was heading
in the wrong direction and for some reason I thought I could help ease the
tension and redirect your anger into a more useful emotion, like Logic ; so
if you want to take it down a few notches I'm sure we can find a solution
for what you need to do, and not get sideways and focus on how you want it
to work; and integrated dbo has been a design feature for a reason; it ties
the framework to one method, which is fine for some people, but not
everybody, so do what ever you want; but think it out first; don't run off
and take another road that just leads you back to threads like this, learn
from it and move on; you can close this thread on a good note and open a
feature request, then see where this request stands with the core members,
maybe there is a Database Object approach that will work for everyone; if
nothing else, you build you idea of a perfect Database Object of modern
databases, and then hash out all the details, before long you have a road
map and then you can get real programmers involved in writing it; at least
then you have a fighting chance; but remarks like this will only get you in
the Dungeon; but at least read the writing on the wall, speak
intelligently, clear, and make a point, ask a question, who knows, maybe
someone like me will answer it and then tell yew this is the short version,
you don't need it, always use the right tool for the right job, look for a
good dbo, that's all you need.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dushan Savich <dushansav...@gmail.com>wrote:
> No, my dear, I've been asking nicely for many years, I've been using this
> project since it was released several years ago, and I might say I've
> started getting pretty disappointed with many stuff which Witty guys
> haven't addressed. So anyway, this was just a way of my last cry to
> actually move their asses from the stupid-and-crazy-features-dream-land
> and get some practical work done. That being said, I'm just going to
> unsubscribe from this list , because this framework became such a waste of
> time .
>
> Who the hell needs PayPal class for making payments? I use 2checkout.comand
> Authorize.Net , are you going to make an implementation for each and
> every payment processor in the world? I would understand that if witty
> had proper MySQL connector , and if you could add your own JS code with
> the same ease as you can do that with PHP, but no, I suppose PayPal class
> is more of a necessity than User interface and Database Connection.
>
> And look guys, I don't really have time for arguing with you all, I own a
> small software company , with 2 dozens of employees, and I'm usually kind
> person, just had to be bitchy this time, because I hate switching to PHP
> and Java , but I would have no choice , because Witty sucks more and more.
>
> Bye now all!
>
>
> 2013/1/21 Jeff Flesher <jeffrey.scott.fles...@gmail.com>
>
>> Have you looked at Database Objects:
>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/doc/tutorial/dbo/tutorial.html
>> Wt::Dbo is a C++ ORM (Object-Relational-Mapping) library.
>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/blog/2009/11/26/wt__dbo__an_orm__c___style
>> That said; even if these projects got dropped; the code base is still
>> there, and can be improved, but the road for MySQL lost my interest and
>> most others years ago, and I'm not a developer, so I don't speak for them;
>> but I would be working on database projects without commercial ties, but
>> lets face it, Qt has Commercial ties also; so making Wt more like Qt is not
>> a direction that I would want to see either, so from a programmers stand
>> point; this project was and still is a great idea; but only if others are
>> willing to jump in and help out; instead of acting like this is a rose
>> garden, plant your own and it will grow; that's how these projects work;
>> and why they die on the vine.
>>
>> I didn't even know that Database access was an issue; but reading this
>> thread people just need to tone it down and take another approach at asking
>> your question; for example; you could ask how do I connect my MySQL
>> database up to Wt; then people would be glad to answer this question; but
>> you put them on the offensive asking bated questions; we all do this from
>> time to time when we want to do some project and can not find the right
>> tools to do the job with; so its these times is best just to look at all
>> the options out there, including importing your data into another database
>> platform that works better for your needs; and trust me, MySQL does not
>> have as much performance benefits considering how much money went into it;
>> so when you say postgres; I say no problem
>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/doc/reference/html/classWt_1_1Dbo_1_1backend_1_1Postgres.htmland
>> it was written mostly by users who were very good programmers, and they
>> only started out that way because there were no tools for free, and MySQL
>> took the Commercial road years ago; and they have ever right to, and I
>> have the right to use what ever database I can do the job with, but I look
>> at them as Tools, and long term Maintenance; and Commercial Free, but
>> that's just Me...
>>
>> Ask a better Question, and you will get a better Answer.
>>
>> Flesh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Dushan Savich <dushansav...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I see yous till haven't put MySQL plugin code into witty , and that
>>> "community" one is still not working. How pathetic is that?
>>>
>>> As I've heard it, every other web library/framework every written in
>>> every programming language in the world has MySQL plugin, never heard any
>>> of them being sued by Oracle/Sun .
>>>
>>> I don't care about those 0.0000000000001% of geniuses using PostgresSQL
>>> (I can't even spell it right, because it's so unknown :P )
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Dushan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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