I always give people the benefit of the doubt, some people come around, but
real Trolls never give up being a Troll, no matter how much you try.
PostgreSQL over MySQL any day and when people want to disagree that's fine,
but back the argument with facts, not rants; but those that use it, like it
the best, personally I don't see any advantage to use MySQL or it, I
dropped it in my design, its not worth trying to support it, not with the
license it has.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Mike Teehan <mike.tee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dushan is a troll. We're wasting too many words on him. PostgreSQL
> rules, and the licensing is perfect for Wt (and Emweb).
>
> Moving on...
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Jeff Flesher <
> jeffrey.scott.fles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been monitoring this project for a long time now, there has been
>> some good threads on dbo connectors; so maybe I'm missing something here,
>> like what it is you are trying to do but can't, but that is how it is going
>> in on a thread that started off bad and just got worse, but for the most
>> part; people work on what they like, and priority is dictated by time, and
>> lets face it time is money, and a business that depends on it; would also
>> benefit from the solution, so if you want to pound your chest and run away
>> be my guest; but if you want to work on a solution, just ask the right
>> question, and don't expect that others will know that you asked nice this
>> time and not the other, but I am always doing the time, its called
>> technically frustrated, as happens when people do not understand the
>> underly API, the truth is, you can get that data anyway you want, and
>> that's for simplicity; but I agree it would be a great feature to have a
>> built in solution; but the answer I got was that layer of abstraction
>> should be done in the core of the application and not the API, but the work
>> on the dbo was actually a great way to do it, so I have to agree that its
>> not needed, but an extra feature; that would in itself be great; but its
>> another long term project to integrate db calls in an existing framework;
>> but these guys are smarter than that; look at the code; you can abstract it
>> using the dbo, unless I missed something; I was using MySQL; it seems that
>> code should still work; but I'm not working on it this month; but was under
>> the impression it wasn't broke; but I had the idea you are looking for some
>> promised feature I haven't heard of... so you get upset enough to continue
>> this thread using the same contempt and think it will hurt our feeling if
>> you have to go back to php or java; well... that's not going to happen, in
>> fact we find it amusing, but all I was asking is, what are we talking about?
>>
>> In other words, what are you trying to do that requires a different
>> connector than the ones your able to pull from; because as far as I know,
>> you do not require a frame work to be bound to a data source at the API
>> level, but it would be nice at times, and and could be done, although if
>> you did, you could optimize the data pool, and data cache, and make the
>> syntax for a function call a one liner, and we all can agree with that; but
>> if your holding out for a feature that isn't on the Road Map for a project
>> and base your entire stock of your business on a feature that doesn't
>> exist, and then want to complain about it, well then php and java is the
>> best thing for you, but then again I don't remember a MySQL connector for
>> it either; and most of the CMS and other Framework engines really suck at
>> concurrent hits from it, which is why you need to use Wt in the first
>> place, and also the reason they didn't make the framework database
>> orientated in the first place, so it was fast and easy, and left the
>> database base features to the dba, but that is just a feature request; and
>> what's worse is that you are running on fear based on an emergency need on
>> your part; for an emergency last ditch, lets kick them were it hurts by
>> calling them Dear... deer, sounds like a Patronus from Harry Potter, I have
>> those running around my Ranch, the Horses don't mind them much as long as
>> they stay out of their hay; Dear on the other hand is another... hardly
>> applies to me... I'm a Retired Disabled Gulf War Veteran, Special
>> Operations Air Force, Helicopter Crew Chief; and a Dear is not normally how
>> people address me, unless they are looking for a fight, and believe me, my
>> PTSD runes deep, but I alway try to keep it out of threads; but I have lost
>> it a few times, and I sense your frustration over this same issue, so I'm
>> really replying to help you and not bring this to a fight, the war is not
>> behind me, its always just a hands length way, and the chose to make a fist
>> or a hand shake is measured in Words, and Words have a way of bring great
>> Pain, but can also bring Great Joy, and it starts with a simple gesture of
>> hand, and the pen is just as mighty as a sword over the Internet, so pick
>> your Battles well, but at least come with some information and not just the
>> ramblings of a wounded soul; that said, I have been a computer programmer
>> since 1978 and after the time I took to try to help you, by showing you how
>> to use the framework instead of a dream about how it should be, you spit it
>> back in my face with an insult like that... I just don't get some people...
>> but that's just me, but remember you are addressing real people, who
>> actually have real lives, and we do care or we wouldn't bother reading or
>> replying to threads like these, I jumped in because this thread was heading
>> in the wrong direction and for some reason I thought I could help ease the
>> tension and redirect your anger into a more useful emotion, like Logic ; so
>> if you want to take it down a few notches I'm sure we can find a solution
>> for what you need to do, and not get sideways and focus on how you want it
>> to work; and integrated dbo has been a design feature for a reason; it ties
>> the framework to one method, which is fine for some people, but not
>> everybody, so do what ever you want; but think it out first; don't run off
>> and take another road that just leads you back to threads like this, learn
>> from it and move on; you can close this thread on a good note and open a
>> feature request, then see where this request stands with the core members,
>> maybe there is a Database Object approach that will work for everyone; if
>> nothing else, you build you idea of a perfect Database Object of modern
>> databases, and then hash out all the details, before long you have a road
>> map and then you can get real programmers involved in writing it; at least
>> then you have a fighting chance; but remarks like this will only get you in
>> the Dungeon; but at least read the writing on the wall, speak
>> intelligently, clear, and make a point, ask a question, who knows, maybe
>> someone like me will answer it and then tell yew this is the short version,
>> you don't need it, always use the right tool for the right job, look for a
>> good dbo, that's all you need.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dushan Savich <dushansav...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> No, my dear, I've been asking nicely for many years, I've been using
>>> this project since it was released several years ago, and I might say I've
>>> started getting pretty disappointed with many stuff which Witty guys
>>> haven't addressed. So anyway, this was just a way of my last cry to
>>> actually move their asses from the stupid-and-crazy-features-dream-land
>>> and get some practical work done. That being said, I'm just going to
>>> unsubscribe from this list , because this framework became such a waste of
>>> time .
>>>
>>> Who the hell needs PayPal class for making payments? I use
>>> 2checkout.com and Authorize.Net , are you going to make an
>>> implementation for each and every payment processor in the world? I would
>>> understand that if witty had proper MySQL connector , and if you could
>>> add your own JS code with the same ease as you can do that with PHP, but
>>> no, I suppose PayPal class is more of a necessity than User interface and
>>> Database Connection.
>>>
>>> And look guys, I don't really have time for arguing with you all, I own
>>> a small software company , with 2 dozens of employees, and I'm usually kind
>>> person, just had to be bitchy this time, because I hate switching to PHP
>>> and Java , but I would have no choice , because Witty sucks more and more.
>>>
>>> Bye now all!
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/21 Jeff Flesher <jeffrey.scott.fles...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Have you looked at Database Objects:
>>>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/doc/tutorial/dbo/tutorial.html
>>>> Wt::Dbo is a C++ ORM (Object-Relational-Mapping) library.
>>>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/blog/2009/11/26/wt__dbo__an_orm__c___style
>>>> That said; even if these projects got dropped; the code base is still
>>>> there, and can be improved, but the road for MySQL lost my interest and
>>>> most others years ago, and I'm not a developer, so I don't speak for them;
>>>> but I would be working on database projects without commercial ties, but
>>>> lets face it, Qt has Commercial ties also; so making Wt more like Qt is not
>>>> a direction that I would want to see either, so from a programmers stand
>>>> point; this project was and still is a great idea; but only if others are
>>>> willing to jump in and help out; instead of acting like this is a rose
>>>> garden, plant your own and it will grow; that's how these projects work;
>>>> and why they die on the vine.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even know that Database access was an issue; but reading this
>>>> thread people just need to tone it down and take another approach at asking
>>>> your question; for example; you could ask how do I connect my MySQL
>>>> database up to Wt; then people would be glad to answer this question; but
>>>> you put them on the offensive asking bated questions; we all do this from
>>>> time to time when we want to do some project and can not find the right
>>>> tools to do the job with; so its these times is best just to look at all
>>>> the options out there, including importing your data into another database
>>>> platform that works better for your needs; and trust me, MySQL does not
>>>> have as much performance benefits considering how much money went into it;
>>>> so when you say postgres; I say no problem
>>>> http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/doc/reference/html/classWt_1_1Dbo_1_1backend_1_1Postgres.htmland
>>>> it was written mostly by users who were very good programmers, and they
>>>> only started out that way because there were no tools for free, and MySQL
>>>> took the Commercial road years ago; and they have ever right to, and I
>>>> have the right to use what ever database I can do the job with, but I look
>>>> at them as Tools, and long term Maintenance; and Commercial Free, but
>>>> that's just Me...
>>>>
>>>> Ask a better Question, and you will get a better Answer.
>>>>
>>>> Flesh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Dushan Savich
>>>> <dushansav...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I see yous till haven't put MySQL plugin code into witty , and that
>>>>> "community" one is still not working. How pathetic is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've heard it, every other web library/framework every written in
>>>>> every programming language in the world has MySQL plugin, never heard any
>>>>> of them being sued by Oracle/Sun .
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care about those 0.0000000000001% of geniuses using
>>>>> PostgresSQL (I can't even spell it right, because it's so unknown :P )
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Dushan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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