Its takes a Community to come together and decide if they want to build a
CMS, will it ever happen, I hate having to use None-Wt Tools to do this
Site, what is needed is a beta site, and it doesn't matter who is hosting
it, but many developers need full access to it; right now I have this one,
and all I want to do is develop the tools so that the Wt Community will
have a Flag Ship to show off their work in, I want this App to be a Desktop
favorite as well as a Hosted web site, so the app should be built from day
one to do both jobs, so it needs to be able to store information about
email accounts, so the user can access and store emails in this App, and
allow users to use these settings online or as a stand alone app on their
Desktop, but it needs to be powerful enough to handle all their document
needs, which means Multimedia; then we can have online Chats, see how the
system stands up to traffic, get feed back on how to improve the system,
and really put each section of code to use.
My idea with this Web site is to make a Video Series, in fact, channels
where many users can have their own series, and post code and apps to, for
Example: I create a Video Series called the Witty Wizard, where this
unfinished video I have posted, will set the pace for a video series on how
to accomplish a task in Wt, a CMS in this case, as such, I will have a
video for each task I can do in Wt, so this first step is a concept, the
next step would be to write a small app that allows you to log in, (Auth2),
then the next will be to install it on a Host (Debian), the step I'm stuck
on by the way, the next will be getting the app up and running then more
steps will add all the functionality to the system, so its a step by step
wizard approach that is based on the end result, as such I do not assume
the user watching it even knows what C is, let alone C++, so as more
content gets posted, I can reference them.
At the same time the CMS is helping us do our job, we can write Project
managers, and other tools that will help in that process, so we can expand
the Git functionality, make it easier to roll in changes and roll back
changes, and test, benchmark and track bugs using our own tools, as such,
this CMS will control every aspect of the server or machine its on, so it
grows to become a Desktop for the Server or Home PC, its the Wt Flag Ship,
building on Community support, but it requires a Community to support it,
one person could write such a system, which is why I set out to do just
that, but it will take a long time at the Rate I'm going, but if I could
get a few questions answered along the way, it would go a lot faster.
I can not go live using anything but Wt code, so this site is just a beta
of what I need this system to do now, so a Blog, Videos, Audios, Wiki, FAQ,
Documents, Forum and Calendar of Events is a starting point, and its not
that hard to do, most of the work you already have done, it just a matter
of writing a good CMS to start with, so call it what you like, Document
Retrieval System, since that is what the Front end does, but from the
programmers stand point, this system is designed to grow into the needs of
the Users, so it must be flexible, allow multiple views, be designed to
self computer translate content on the fly, and handle all the users needs
for Document Management, and do what you need it to do, but make it a
Community Project, as such, it will give us a Reason to have Events and
even host online Events, and Video Conferencing so users can join in on
Events online if they can not make it, even be able to do live feeds, so
they can talk at Events online using this CMS, no better way to show off
what you have then by using it.
If you want to take this Project to the next level, this is my idea of how
to do it, but it starts with a group of people in a Community that are
willing to work on it, otherwise its just me talking about my Dream of a
CMS like this, or working on it till someone else sees the potential in it,
then we can also talk about Monetizing the site, so we can collect money to
pay for development, we can sell the Videos on DVD's online using our
Shopping Cart, of course this is Open Source so we have rules and
regulations, so the Videos must be Open Source also, but that does not mean
you can not sell them, or sell programming time and other things that help
the Community Members, all is possible once you have the software that can
do it.
I do like to talk a lot, but I can code also, I started out in A
(Assembly), moved to B (Byte Code, this turned out to be one step back),
then to C (Where I learned to mix the two, remember inline Assembly and
Byte code), now its C++, and I know many more, but that is me, what can you
do to make this Project work, because there is not only just Me in a
Community, I am just part of it, and I defined the part I wish to play in
this project, so the rest is up to you.
I call this Project Binary Bit Flesh, because its the Meat of the System,
its also the Skin, but its more then just your average CMS, its what people
see when they think of it, I started this Project 10 years ago, and wrote 3
CMS's in that time, all based on Technology's (HTML, CGI, C#...) that died
for a reason, so I do not want to do that again, C has been around as long
as me, so its old but dependable.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM, John Robson <john.rob...@usp.br> wrote:
> Your web site is very nice, congratulations... and I agree "start a web
> site, allow users to register there, have a Blog, Forum, and Events
> Calendar".
>
> I think that some people is busy, shy, etc... but there is no trolls here.
>
> I think will be good if Wt centralize that redmine forum and this one in
> just one place, build in Wt (of course).
>
> ps.: I'm living in NYC.
>
> On 03/11/2013 04:30 PM, Jeff Flesher wrote:
> > As a Developer for any language, I find that personal contact always
> > opens up doors, whereas a closed community never grows, and the its
> > users start to grow intolerant of each other, you may like to call them
> > Trolls, but the fact is that they are just People who are feed up with
> > asking questions and getting no answers, but most do not see it that
> > way, so they ignore them, they have better things to do then answer
> > questions, so they promote a Closed Community, whereas an Open Community
> > promotes answers, and encourages questions, it then can Open doors that
> > did not exist when it was Closed, you find people can be more helpful,
> > and you find with more help, you are not so busy and can take the time
> > to answer more questions, so what you have to ask yourself is what type
> > of community do you want, then make plans to make it happen.
> >
> > As far as getting together, events are an Expense to all involved and
> > most can not make the time, but I still agree that they are important,
> > but not as important as just taking time to help each other out, because
> > in the long that is where an Open Community starts and stops, if you do
> > not have any involvement with the Community on a Daily basis, then why
> > would you want to get together with them?
> >
> > I live in the USA, North Western region, in the Middle of nowhere, with
> > no major Cities with a Population over 50,000 for a least 50 miles, this
> > huge Mountains to get to the next City, so its unlikely I'll have find
> > many living near me, so all I have is Email, and all it ever gets from
> > this Community is Ignored, so I doubt you will get a warm welcome here,
> > maybe you will get called a Troll if you bring this up, but besides
> > that, it would take a major attitude adjustment to change things here, I
> > have monitored this Community long enough to relive that, not putting it
> > down, I can always unsubscribe, I figure maybe I'm just not asking the
> > right question, or wording in a way that peaks someones curiosity, or
> > maybe I'm not in the Click, since I'm not on the Core team, and just a
> > user at best, so they feel its beneath them to answer such stupid
> > questions, I don't know, but it should be clear to you by now that
> > people here are not willing to commit to an answer, for what ever reason
> > they have, so it will remain a very Closed niche Community, until
> > someone decides to change this, but that is just My Opinion, and in this
> > Community I am a nobody, who has been looking for Friends in this
> > Community also, so best luck with this Venture.
> >
> > Your best bet is to start a Club, I know this sounds old fashion, but
> > I'm old, so I will suggest it, what you do is start a web site, allow
> > users to register there, have a Blog, Forum, and Events Calendar, I
> > would write the App in Wt, this way you put up a good front, using the
> > Software you want to meet to talk about, then you may find interest; but
> > make the Events run by Locals, but track them all, one place to
> > register, then assign Event Coordinators for each Area, which is
> > normally a City, or sections of a Large City, and then just Create the
> > Event and see who signs up for it, then you can just announce that news
> > here, I would also use the Chat Module, so you can do this Online,
> > someone else already mentioned doing this, otherwise you are in a
> > mailing list that is attached to a forum, that as far as I can tell is
> > dead, based on my experience in getting simple questions answered, I
> > feel like I'm bothering them, so to them I'm just a Troll for even
> > bringing this up, so ignore my long winded speeches, everyone else
> > does... and by the Way, I am not a Troll, but do agree they do like to
> > Rant about things, but I think they do so out of desperation more than
> > just wanting to be Troll and somethings someone has to remind them of
> > this fact.
> >
> > I started a site years ago for a CMS (http://beta.binarybitflesh.com/),
> > I wound not mind using it for this reason, but wound need moderators to
> > control it, I'm disabled, and its not the easies thing for me to take on
> > responsibility for a projects which requires a lot of attention, its in
> > Drupal, but I could load others like I did for the Blog or Forum,
> > eventually I want the CMS to run it all, but that is putting the horse
> > before the Cart, so far I can not get the software to even run on my
> > Host server, which is a Debian VM, but I have not given up, I just keep
> > working on it till I figure it out, not much else I can do without the
> > help of an Open Community, which is what I'm trying to start here and to
> > be fair to the real Developers on this Mailing list, its not their job
> > to answer everyones stupid question, which is why I never push that
> > point and still stay active on the list, they do have other things to
> > do, so this Community needs a good third party to step in and take this
> > load and traffic of this type, so that users that want an Open Community
> > support can get it, those on this list can monitor it if they like, but
> > it cuts down on all this type of discussion and puts it where it
> > belongs, but I don't speak for this Community, but I do want to help,
> > and only answer those questions being ignored by the Community, so I
> > don't step on anyones foot, if you know what I mean, not that I have
> > avoided that, in fact I think I escalated the last incidence, so even I
> > started to re-frame from answering questions, which is how it got this
> > way to begin with.
>
>
>
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