I'd like to signal my agreement with Dirk's take on the situation. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dirk Hohndel > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Center > > > User interface design has been researched a lot over the last > decade. > And many, many, many of the choices made in the redesign of > the WP user interface go squarely against the results of that > research. > > - unintuitive links: > -- "editing a comment by clicking on the author's name" > (that should get you somewhere related to this author, not to > this specific > comment) > -- "editing your profile by clicking on your user name" > (that is not quite as weird, but still, it's not intuitive) > -- a "Manage" link that allows you to manage lots of very > different things, but not comments > - bad screen layout > -- yes, a maximum width is good, but then it needs to > apply to EVERYTHING - so the "Howdy <user> | Log Out..." and > the "Settings Plugins Users" also need to be bound by the > width - otherwise they become invisible to the user > -- top level menu items are in three locations > ("Dashboard" at the very top, "Write, Manage, Design..." a > little below, "Settings, Plugins, Users" on the right > -- there are two items named Dashboard on the screen (or > put differently, Dashboard is a submenu of Dashboard) > - bad minimum requirements (why can't I use the wp-admin pages from a > Blackberry?) > - really hard to use with a text based browser (which means > that you create lots of problems for blind people) > > > Every time one of us criticizes the new design we are told > how hard the team tried and how much work went into it. Look. > The team writing Windows Vista tried really hard and a lot of > work went into it. It still sucks. Same goes for lots of > other software. In open source usually software gets better > BECAUSE the constant feedback of the community is taken > seriously. I don't feel that our feedback is taken seriously > at all - most if not all of the things I list above have been > reported over and over again, yet nothing has changed. > > The user interface of 2.5 is a CLEAR STEP BACKWARDS. And > saying that this will be "fixed in 2.6 if enough users > complain" is just ridiculous. Why make it worse to begin with??? > > (just to be fair, there are new features that I love - like > the media upload thingy; it also has usability issues (why > does "insert into post" close the window if I just uploaded > multiple pictures? Makes no sense), but it's a huge step forward) > > /D > > On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:41 PM, DD32 wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:14:13 +1100, deliciousdays > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > >> I agree, the 980px limitation in width is not good *to say > the least* > >> and the fact that a 'plugin' is offered to overwrite this > CSS setting > >> is a joke, right?! > >> No offense intended D, but I'm getting more and more > frustrated with > >> many of the recent design and UI decisions. > > > > None taken at all, The way i see it though, Is that the > design choice > > has been made for the 2.5 release, I dont agree with it, I might as > > well offer a plugin to change it. Theres a few things i dont agree > > with the new interface, but its not worth going into them all. > > > > The feedback given will be what steers the UI changes, > Theres been a > > remarkably small number of complaints about the width from > what i've > > seen, which means most people who have been testing dont mind that > > much. Most feedback on the changes have been positive, So > its either > > people like it, They dont care, or they dont complain. > > > > If once 2.5 is released, and theres a huge backlash of > users wanting > > their fluid back, then feedback may dictate a change to be made. > > > > If those who want the fluid design back, feel strong enough > about it, > > go rate it: http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=1291 > > Might as well collate the votes somewhere. > > > >> To a point where I simply don't care and am happy (and already > >> have) to > >> apply my own admin CSS theme with JS driven menu tabs. > >> > >> But why not spend more time on fixing real issues than > trying so hard > >> to come up with a different UI, that seems to be put together > >> 'on-the- fly'. > > > > To be fair, HappyCog( http://www.happycog.com/ ) did put a fair > > ammount of effort into the new design, And based it around a lot of > > user research, Put together some wireframe mockups of a better > > interface, And piece by piece, the Devs have done a great job of > > implementing the changes, and improving WP in so many other ways at > > the same time. > > > > WP 2.5 also includes the ability for Plugins to overrule the Admin > > theme all together, So i'd expect to see a few spinoffs > which improve > > upon the current design, If the changes are popular enough, > then i'm > > sure Devs would consider pulling those changes into the core. > > Once you've used the 2.5 admin for awhile, Its much > comfier, if you've > > just changed over from the old interface, then its going to > take some > > time to get your grips on it, As expected. > > > > All i'm trying to say, Is give it a chance before writing it off > > entirely. > > > > There'll allways be people who do *not* want to change, > > > > There'll be people claiming the old interface is better, and > > *nothing* will change their minds, > > There'll be people who like it, but dont agree with some > aspects, and > > there'll be those who love it, > > > > Those 3 groups of people are expected, Theres people who absolutely > > hate the old interface, Theres people who liked it, but found it > > cumbersome, or felt it was time for a change, and theres people who > > loved it. > > > > Point is, nothing much has changed, its just the people may have > > switched group. > > > > So, If someone doesnt like a current design choice, Voice > it, get it > > known, Who knows, Fluid width might be back in 2.5.1 > > > >> O > >> > >> PS: Someone somewhere wrote "WP is the new Windows" - I hope not. > >> > >> > >> DD32 wrote: > >>> Aparantly most people prefer a thin content frame rather than a > >>> fluid content frame. > >>> > >>> Personally, If i want my content thin, i resize the > browser window. > >>> > >>> I wrote up a plugin to remove the maximum width if you > would like to > >>> try a full width admin. > >>> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/remove-max-width/ > >>> > >>> D > >>> > >>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:06:49 +1100, Eric Amundson > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 03/26/2008 Vladimir Vuckovic wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I don't know is this bug, but I'm running my computer > on 1280x960 > >>>>> pixels and I notice that whole WordPress 2.5 (which is so > >>>>> amazing) is > >>>>> on the left align, not centered or streched 100%... I > think that > >>>>> it's better to be in whole window, not only on the left and > >>>>> there's a lot of blank space at the right... > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Vladimir > >>>>> > >>>> Hi Vladimir, > >>>> > >>>> I'm running on a few monitors - both wide screens. > >>>> > >>>> I think if you look closer, the header and footer expand to fill > >>>> the width of the browser, no matter what the width. > >>>> > >>>> The 'body' of the admin panel, which is wrapped in a div > >>>> class="wrap" > >>>> has a max-width of 980px, which is likely to spare the > design from > >>>> breaking or becoming too hard to read (excessive line lengths), > >>>> when maximized on wider screens. > >>>> > >>>> I like this a lot and rarely maximize my browser anyway > on a wider > >>>> screen. > >>>> > >>>> eric > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> wp-testers mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> wp-testers mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wp-testers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wp-testers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wp-testers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers
_______________________________________________ wp-testers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-testers
