this reminds me so much of when lanny's noisetext group got shut down on yahoo (and i for one lost many writings that were important to me, cause i wrote a lot of them direct into the web form for yahoo groups and viewed them online, no copies saved on my machine anywhere). and they trashed the group without so much as a warning. no notice, nothing. in the course of muttering under my breath to various people about how it was an outrage that yahoo could just lay waste to whatever things they felt like on a whim (since we were subject to their "terms and conditions"), many people were basically trying to be apologists for them, saying that it's not censorship when it's a private company, they can do what they want, etc., and we agreed to that by using the service. well, sure, technically this is true. but it obscures some more troubling issues, one being that these web communities are being used by a lot of people in ways that community centers were in the past, and now, with these community centers being operated by private organizations (and look at how quickly the right wing of the U.S. political system is to try to shunt everything away from governmental organizations over to the private sector), there is a loss in accountability every step of the way, and it is misleading people to have them think that this benevolent service provided by corporations is somehow without hidden agendas, and risks allowing more and more power to fall into corporate hands that really have no accountability to anyone but their debt holders and investors. i have almost no doubt that it was the powerful political commentary and the explosively powerful vibes of many of the carefully constructed "auto-texts" that were being generated on the group that caused a reactionary clamp-down, because it was angry, organized and extremely intense.. i am still amazed at some of the things that came out of that group, and so some squealing meanie just couldn't take the raw, oozing ventfest, which was revealing some very ugly behind-the-scene snapshots of this culture. and it was horribly wrong to have that all ripped away in the manner that it was. i will never, EVER place trust in any of these corporations to be wise stewards of anything. and i will always carry a little black soot in my heart for whoever that loser was that stole all that away one day. this networked world carries a number of new risks that take a while to fully comprehend. and all these happy, smiley-faced support group web sites are setting people up for some dangerous power plays. we can't let our organizing efforts get locked up inside some corporation's hard drive. this is so easy to let happen, i'm worried for all of us.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Ishaq wrote: > my facts were straight. without the "<snips>" in your post -- they were > statments and names from telus none of it made up and they nor i > recieved response from yourself on this issue. so instead of changing > the issue from freedom of expression and access to information to blaim > the victim (ie. "get you your facts straight..")-- the victim (s) the > focus of criticism is the turn the table tactic of the british columbia > left and what holds back progress and reduces activism to that of a > popularity contest and closed minded clique with small minds and close > ties. > > as for telus issue well as you can read the onus was originally on > telus. when bc and vic indy media refused to comment ( as did you show > very little concern over this isssue) and telus did -- the suspicion > then moved to bc and vic indy media -- which apparently the issue is > with bc and victoria indy media. > > so far the story is as it is. until the truth is revealed as to whom is > lying or responsible. > > so the issue is yet to be resolved concerning the telus or vic indy > media ban on thousands of clients who use teleus as an IPS -- which is a > pretty big story my friend. > > this is the sharing of information based on an investigation. the > hostilty, although in character with vic indy media, is uncalled for. > > personally, i don't know why anyone who calls themselves activist would > sit back allow all these injustices to occur unquestioned and use > twisted analysis to make excuse which only have them fall inline with > rightest repression NWO policies and descrimination tactics. > > sincerely > > deja wrote: > > >Telus has just confirmed to us that it is in fact them that is blocking our > >traffic due to a virus infection on one of our servers. We have been aware of > >that problem and have been working to resolve it without causing a major loss > >of data. > > > >Get your fact straight next time you want to start making rediculous > >accusations. > > > >read below: > > > >D > > > > > > > >>Hi > >> > >>We have detected that the host: arkady.indymedia.org (66.199.18.254) is > >>acting as a Botnet command-and-control host. It is listening on a > >>non-standard port for bot connections. The IP is registered to Peer1 and > >>used for Indymedia. > >> > >> > >> > ><snip> > > > > > > > >>It appears that this host has also been assigned a DNS name, associated > >>with the botnet: bash-2.03$ host u.localroot.org > >> u.localroot.org. has address 66.199.184.254 > >> > >>Can you please take whatever action you deem necessary to clean up this > >>host? > >> > >>Let me know if you have any questions or if I have misread the data. > >>Thanks > >> > >>- > >>MArc Kneppers > >>Security Consultant > >>Data/IP - CTO > >>TELUS > >> > >> > > > > > >On 6 June 2005 22:08, Ishaq wrote: > > > > > >>ken (tech #830816) of telus has informed me today that it is a > >>possibility that bc and victoria indy media have decided to ban all > >>telus ip adresses from their site which this behavior would fall under > >>further dirty tricks by certain victoria and indy media admins who wish > >>to limit access to this public site and limit the flow of information. > >>the lack or response or concern by bc and vic indy media admins > >>concerning this issue might be coming clear perhaps it has been an > >>attempt to target an individual or people, such as those who post > >>articles or have sympathies concerning muslim, black, native and pro > >>palestinian issues and those the object and expose local police > >>brutality -- using dirty tricks. > >> > >>as of 9:49pm > >> > >>steve rabouin of telus has confirmed that it is in fact that it is bc > >>and victoria indymedia who are banning telus ips from their site. > >> > >>dirty tricks if full effect > >> > >> > >> > >>>so i made an attempt to contact telus so they could explain the > >>>situation with the indymedia sites. i was put in touch with someone who > >>>said his name was ekemini (827170). he said that the > >>>http://bc.indymedia.org and http://victoria.indymedia.org sites do not > >>>exist. however, a friend who has shaw could access the site which i > >>>informed them of. this is when ekemini (827170) askes me to try this > >>>site http://cnn.com and askes me to read him the headline which was > >>>Suspected Al-Zarqawi deputy arrested in Iraq i asked him why? what the > >>>relevance was to this situation and he simply asked me to read it. > >>>instead i read him the other smaller headline: U.S.: Guards, detainees > >>>mishandled Quran > >>> > >>>after a longtime on hold the tech cameback and said that they would run > >>>a test around my area and location which turned out that that telus > >>>couldn't access the sites http://bc.indymedia.org nor the > >>>http://victoria.indymedia.org . from here i was informed that the > >>>problem and information and the results from my trace rout and ping test > >>>which i had to forward to them would be sent to "apps dept" -- they are > >>>the domain hosting service for telus. > >>> > >>>they would get back to me in 48hrs. > >>> > >>> > >>>strange times > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>for your info (below is a note by one telus tech (peter tech #82359)) > >>> > >>>as visitor and contributor to the vic and bc indy media sites which > >>>has the most inforamtion on black politics, islam and muslim issues, > >>>as well as local police brutality, i wish to inform you that telus > >>>internet subscribers have been blocked from viewing your site for the > >>>past week and the problem still persists and is unresolved by telus. > >>> > >>>on june 2 i spoke with tech named ben who said that issue was with > >>>telus and it was being resolved within 24hrs. he also said that when > >>>he went to access the site it simply sent him to > >>>http://victoria.indymedia.org.com. however, when he spoke with a tech > >>>who did not use telus the site was reached. > >>>i attempted to access the address 24hrs later and the attempt failed. > >>> > >>>on june 3 i spoke with peter who simply sent me this note after 1 > >>>hour of running around and being placed on hold countless times by > >>>him. peter (peter tech #82359) refused to do a trace route from telus > >>>and insisted that i preform the trace route which i did and the result > >>>was the the sites did not exist. > >>> > >>>on june 4 i spoke with jahan who refuse again to perform a trace > >>>route, placed me on hold and then refused to explain, said that it was > >>>"irellivant", as to why > >>>telus members cannot reach the site and others can who are employed > >>>with telus but do not use telus as a server. each time i asked he > >>>accuse me of not "cooperting" and threaten to terminate unless i stop > >>>asking question and just do another trace route. any questions is > >>>asked we dodged. > >>> > >>>when as a telus subscriber, i, and apparently others, attempt to view > >>>the sites the connection times out or redirects the telus client to > >>>http://victoria.indymedia.org.com. we as telus subscribers are being > >>>denied access to the bc and victoria indie media sites. > >>> > >>> > >>>sincerely > >>> > >>>ishaq > >>> > >>> > >>>-------- Original Message -------- > >>>Subject: bc.indymedia.org > >>>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:33:09 -0400 > >>>From: Telus Technical Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>tried to find this website but it does not exist. > >>> > >>>bc.indymedia.org or victoria.indymedia.org > >>> > >>>Please double check the address or try www.indymedia.org > >>> > >>> > >>>Peter > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >
