oh yes--i had a friend who had a Theremin and have tried it--many times,
years ago--
 does anyone remember the band Lothar and the Hand People?
they used a Theremin-
   there is a video of a documentary on Theremin--it was  on PBS Tv in the
middlle 1990s--you may easily find--(they had it at Blockbuster last time i
was in there--)


From: Kamen Nedev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [_arc.hive_] NEW [N]+Semble MP3 Album
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:10:08 +0100

Hmmm, has anybody here ever tried a Theremin? Moog used to make a
MIDI-compatible one, two. Sound...

Best,

Kamen

On 19/12/2005, at 6:58, Alan Sondheim wrote:



Re the first paragraph, my apologies as well; we're going to Utah
tomorrow and I'm a bit tense, also feeling physically ill. -

Needless to say I agree with you. I also think there are things  like the
old Casio midi sax - you blew into it, and so there's all  sorts of
possibilties for interfacing. Most Midi people though use  keyboards; they
can be taylored (misspelling but it's a great  pun!), but the tendency is
of course towards either cleanliness or  controlled/chaotic noise...

Then there's granular synthesis which seems something else utterly
different and exciting - Alan

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, mwp wrote:

(Thanks for the clarification, AS. I sometimes tend to read an  implied
hostility into people’s writings where it is not intended,  as I am sure
they sometimes unintendedly read it into mine. I’m  very tense tonight
for some reason. Sorry if I overreacted.)

My short, silly list was meant to apply to written compositional
variables, or to switches on a foot pedal for live performance.  For
instance, you want a particular passage you are playing on a  MIDI
instrument to sound breathy, you press the ctrl-B button on  the pedal.
Crude, simple stuff, like a guitarist has with  fuzzboxes, wahs, etc.
only more localized and nuanced in the effect.

I don’t think that an Ayler of today would feel too deprived of  his
“black spirituality” if he was playing a MIDI instrument of  sampled
sounds. He simply would find workarounds to create the  effects he
wanted, and while he wouldn't be the Ayler we know and  love, he still
would sound marvelously human. Look at somebody  like Sun Ra, who was
playing a clunky old DX7 when I saw him a few  times. I don’t think that
the rise of session players using  digital instruments has much to do
with the coldness of today’s  music, as there were plenty of cold, boring
session players  working in places like Hollywood and Tin Pan Alley many
decades  before there were commercial digital music programs and
instruments. I see today’s “coldness” has as much to do with a  basic
shift in attitude towards performance, -- from an  existential
“being-in-the-world” attitude, such as you described  so well, to a more
aloof, canned one that you get in rap, raves,  etc. I don’t see the
latter necessarily as a musical regression of  any kind, or as a
diminishment in music’s spirituality. If that  causes Ayler to spin in
his grave, well, every new generation has  that effect on its elders!

I haven't addressed your point about live vs computer at all, even
though it was fundamental to what you were saying,  because I  basically
agree with you and see nothing to add.


m
being preposterously verbose, as always, and now I will shut up  and go
into a long self-imposed glottal hibernation...



On Dec 18, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, mwp wrote:
[Arggh, I feel the hostility meter starting to flutter into the  red…
If that’s the case, I’m outta here.]
No hostility intended.
Don’t know why such a list of commands wouldn’t cut it to bring  some
sense of life to a piece. Composers use such notations all  the time to
indicate precisely what they need from performers,  and Talan M’s work
is a composition, not a performance, however  much he may intend it to
sound “performed.” And there’s no  reason these controls couldn’t be
implemented live in real time  with foot pedals or something, so
there’s plenty of room for  overlap between composition and
performance.
It may well bring life into a piece. That's not what I was on  about; of
course I agree with you here.
I don’t believe improvisation can ever be totally in the  “moment.”
Improvisors are always recycling and borrowing from  buried experience
and spinning motifs, etc. The idea of the mind  as blank slate creating
order out of nothingness just doesn’t  “cut it” for me.
No one ever said improvisation came out of a blank slate; of  course it
doesn't. But it is in real time, and all that recycling  etc. - more
important where you are in the piece - can't be a  second-take; what you
do then is what you get. And there's no  'nothingness' - there are chops
and what you're doing.
There's a whole politics behind this, which Ayler and New Thing  music
in general came out of. It came out of the black revolution  of the 60s
as well, and the rhetoric around it was part of it;  with people like
Baraka it entered linguistically into the pieces  as well. And this
politics was connected with notions of black  soul, black body, black
spirituality, even the black church. At  least for myself, I can't put
this aside. In other words  improvisation - being-live-in-performances
was _inherently_ part  of the music of these musicians.
And by ctl doesn't cut it, what I meant was, take your commands -
SAXOPHONE:
Flatten the pitch in the upper registers YES
Squeak SELECT PHRASE + ctrl-S
Pad SELECT PHRASE + ctrl-P
Breath SELECT PHRASE + ctrl-B
Force virtual fingering SELECT PHRASE + ctrl-V
Etc.
- Take the first. How much flattening? In relation to what? In  what
phrase? What do you do about the control and dimunition with  the upper
overtones that occurs when you slack the reed a bit?  Etc. etc.
This doesn't mean you can't 'set' an Ayler-type solo, note-by- note
modification; you could always build something out of sine- waves note
by note. It's not magic. But it is missing the point -  when 'squeaks'
are used, they mean something about the soul and  positioning of the
musician at that point; they're not devices.  It's also very hard to
program a squeal (if that's what you mean,  you generally don't get pad
squeak, so I think you're referencing  the reed?), which has
incredibly-fast changing overtones  resulting from
teeth/lip/pressure/moisture-degree/breath/-
pressure - all changing dynamically at an equally incredibly-fast
speed.
I do agree with Talan's take, which seems a bit different than  yours.
In any case I've heard a lot of electronics, as I'm sure  you have as
well, and the types of sonority that Talan uses seem  fairly accessible;
on the other hand, I've heard nothing  approaching, say, Bells, in that
regard.
- Alan



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