I agree with Michael and Ray that preserving the flow of information is the important idea here. I want to open links that go off site, or out of the normal flow in a new window. One example of this is if I have a page with a list of documents on various subjects, I want each document to open in a new window so that when the reader has finished reading a document, they can come back to the list page and read another if they want.
I don't understand Lucian's comment that this takes away the users ability to open the document in a new window. Maybe what he is saying is that it takes away the users ability to open the document in the same window. I suppose that is the reason it is important to think before making the decision to open a new window for any link. But this is a tool like many others that can be abused or used for good and just because it CAN be abused doesn't mean we should ban it from every being used.
Another perspective: I was discussing this issue recently with my business partner and he made the comment that he wished he could make EVERY link open in a new window without having to use the right button. I find this position a bit extreme, but it takes all kinds to make a world.
Carl.
re wrote:
I open links to external sites in a new window as well. I think that as long as the action is consistent throughout a site, and obvious (all external links are displayed with an icon as well), then users will accept it. I don't think educated or web savvy users will pass up useful information because an external link opens up in a new window.
I consider myself to be in your "educated (or a little web-savvy)" category...and it has certainly never offended me that a link opens up in a new window...on the contrary, I have found it bothersome when I follow a link in an article, that some external site replaces the page I was reading...and managing a site with tens of thousands of unique visitors/month, and tens of thousands repeat visitors...I've never heard one complaint regarding the opening of a new window.
mho, Ray
Lucian Teo wrote:
As your audience and your potential customer, you are wont to pander to my every need. If you take away my ability to choose whether or not to open your link in a new window, a new tab, or even an existing window, it is likely I will never come back to your site.
I'm not saying that in a personal way, I'm just voicing out what most educated (or a little web-savvy) audiences think. It should be your site content and design, rather than a target _blank that keeps them going there. A simple shift-click brings on the new window. It is possibly a good idea to put those instructions for the user.
Lucian Teo http://tribolum.com/
On Feb 8, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Michael Kear wrote:
The reason is we go to a great deal of trouble to get users to come to our
site and we don't want to send them away again. That's why I never allow a
client to sign up for any of those awards sites or top 100 sites.
A site gets higher ratings with search engines if there are a lot of other
sites linking to you. To get those links you usually need reciprocal links,
but that doesn't mean you want to send your users off to those sites just
yet. That's the reason you need to have a way to open a link but still
keep the users in the one place.
Another reason is if links go off to subsidiary information. You still want
to keep the flow of the original article. For example, try reading the
technical data relating to an update on the Microsoft site. You start out
by reading that "this update requires the prior installation of update
something else". To find out if you have that update you go off to that
link, which in turn takes you on another link and then another and another,
and before you know it you're off down the yellow brick road and have no
idea how to get back to the original point. If any of the pages are dynamic
you can't use the back button.
As a general rule, any link that takes a user outside my site, I put it in a
new window. If it takes them somewhere in this site, I don't.
Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com
-----Original Message----- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2004 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Opening pages in new windows... was Re: [WSG] XHTML (OT??)
Hi
This kind of thing should be left up to the end user. As an example have
a look at the NASA sites at the moment -windows opening everywhere and
even using javascript to replace a simple target=_blank (why??). Really
annoying.
Modern browsers have an open in new window and the good ones have open
in new tab on the context menu. We should be letting the users (us as
well as others) decide where they want to open a new page as it's their
browsing environment. Many UA's can force all links to open in the same
page, rendering any targeting useless. Denoting external links with
icons can be a good thing if you want to show a user where they will go
(although the status bar does that as well).
If a user hits an external link on a page they can use the back button to head back, if you want to keep state then this can be done at the application level using sessions and whatnot.
Cheers James
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