Opera says, "Opera has been designed to recognize and work with many
plug-ins that work with Netscape."

Then in the same paragraph Opera says, "If you don't see a certain program
listed here, and you would like to know if it works with Opera, please give
it a try! People often figure out how to get plug-ins working with Opera by
themselves. We also recommend that you visit our plug-ins newsgroup. You may
find the answer to your plug-in problem there, or you can post your own
solution for how to get specific plug-ins to work with Opera."

Further information, Opera says, "Before you install a plug-in for use with
Opera, you should set up your computer to show all files on your system,
including system, hidden, and dynamic link library (.dll) files. This is
because most plug-ins will install their own ".dll" files on your computer,
and these are the files you will need to find in order to use the plug-in
with Opera."

Interesting that Opera tells its users how to hack things to make it work
with Opera if Opera does not support it.  Again, proof that no plug-in has
been designed or developed to work with Opera.

All this information is available at
http://www.opera.com/support/service/plugins/.

The beginning of that page states, "This page describes how to get some of
the most common plug-ins to work with Opera, and why some of them won't.
Since there are thousands of plug-ins and applications out there, please try
to contact those who made the plug-in/application to find out if it works
with Opera, and how."

Interesting that you wish to continue to claim that plug-ins are designed
for Opera.  That's a major misrepresentation.  Opera specifically states it
was developed so OPERA works with plug-ins built for other browsers.  No,
plug-ins have been developed to work specifically with Opera.

Lee Roberts
http://www.roserockdesign.com
http://www.applepiecart.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

The voices are telling me that Lee Roberts said on 7/13/2004 7:36 PM:

> Interesting concept there and I'm glad it works.
> 
> Problem is still the same.  No one made a tool for Opera.  You just 
> hacked a solution to make it do what you wanted it to do.  Without 
> your excellent knowledge and fine instructions the average computer 
> user wouldn't know how to do those things.

Actually, if you read closely, what I posted is a way to combine the already
existing and excellent web developers' menu by Toby Inkster, which you can
get at <http://goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=10> and Rijk van Geijtenbeek's
blog menu.  I just included the link to my blog because:

(a) I'm a blog pimp, and

(b) At least one of y'all is going to want to put on both the blog menu and
the W3Dev menu.  I know, you *say* you'll never want to, and then I get
these whining emails: "You broke my blog menu!"

I hate to be so disagreeable (well, that's a lie, I love it), but in fact
there's quite a few neat-o tools for Opera, and with a little effort you can
find links to them on Opera's website.

Here's one <http://www.crispen.org/etc/search.zip> they probably won't link
to.  Opera gets a couple of bucks for having their search menus point to
some corporate search engines.  You can't begrudge them the money, but
there's others I like better.  Unzip this in your profile directory for
Opera 7.5.
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Don't ask yourself what the world needs - ask yourself what makes you come
alive, and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have
come alive. -- Howard Thurman
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