RE: [WSG] within & Screen Readers

[Patrick Lauke]

Heh...I was waiting for you to discover that... ;)

 

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jamie Mason
Sent: 17 March 2005 11:32
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] <Acronym> within <th> & Screen Readers

ack, annoyingly you don't get a tooltip in ie for abbr, but do for acronym.

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From: Jamie Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 March 2005 09:27
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] <Acronym> within <th> & Screen Readers

Thanks a lot guys, that's excellent, really really helpful. Cheers!

I do need the abbreviated version to be in the TH if possible as I have three columns which apply to long abbreviations/acronyms, but who's table cells are just checkboxes. I need to save as much space as I can as the pages can be very long as it's a betting site. I think you've given me the answer though, I'll re-read in more detail and get something sorted.

Just to cover my back on the header scope - I left it out as it didn't add anything to what I was asking, but yes it should be there :-p

If a blog Tutorial does come of this, could whoever writes it (or spots it) drop me a quick email?

Thanks again, greatly appreciated.

Jamie Mason

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 March 2005 00:46
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] <Acronym> within <th> & Screen Readers

Thanks Patrick
So many tables I've seen have been marked up that way, I just assumed it to be correct.

Maybe that's a good blog tutorial.

Cheers
Jeff

> From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:17:10 +0000
> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Subject: Re: [WSG] <Acronym> within <th> & Screen Readers
>
> Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote:
>> Sorry guys, it really should be marked up as follows:
>> <th abbr="Cascading Style Sheet" scope="col">CSS</th> You could even
>> put aq title attribute in there as well if you like.
>
> Not to be picky, but that's wrong. It's the opposite of what's defined
> in the spec http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#adef-abbr
>
> "abbr = text [CS]
>      This attribute should be used to provide an abbreviated form of
> the cell's content, and may be rendered by user agents when
> appropriate in place of the cell's content. Abbreviated names should
> be short since user agents may render them repeatedly. For instance,
> speech synthesizers may render the abbreviated headers relating to a
> particular cell before rendering that cell's content."
>
> So, correct use of the abbr attribute would be <th abbr="CSS"
> scope="col">Cascading Style Sheet</th>
>
> which is not what you're after in this case. I'd say use the abbr or
> acronym (not going to start opening that can of worms again here)
> element inside the TH, like you originally envisaged.
> --
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