I agree, both in regards to the web development process but also from a philosophic point of view. To me, the design and mark-up are so closely entwined that they are really the same thing, especially when you're aiming to create semantic code (where the code structure is a parallel of the page structure - meaning is expressed by form). Design is how something *works* not how something *looks* (read that again, slowly). The look of a web page is only another layer to the page (as an informational entity). A layer that can change depending on platform, device, user - screen, print, handheld, search engine, custom styles etc. The page has to work on several levels - usability, accessibility, appeal. An approach that only designs a web page for consumption by a web browser isn't really making the most of what the internet (not just the web) offers. Rather, a 'good' web page is one that can be consumed by the widest possible audience, independent of device. Or am I just being idealistic? I guess a 'good' web page simply meets its own specific goals. Having said that, a quality development process can create pages that can achieve specific goals without sacrificing its use to a wider audience. Surely that is one of the greatest features of the internet... convergence, lack of dependence on a particular device. We just have to remember that the message is more important than the medium. Sometimes hard to remember in the Xbox age.

Yes, the coffee has just kicked in.

Personally, I will code the page how I want it to be coded then work with that when it comes to the graphic design. I try not to have to alter my code to achieve what I want in regards to the look. Ahh, the beauty of CSS. But my own sites are relatively simple, I might have more freedom than the big boys.

It seems to me, the further apart coders and designers are the less likely either are able to achieve their respective goals.

Duncan

As a one-man show, I disagree with that statement as I find it advantageous for me to do it all as even in the early design stages I'm thinking about how this design can be used in a page most effectively and most easily coded up.

Joe Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com

Thierry Koblentz wrote:


Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:


It's probably a bigger problem if one person does both - design and
markup - as you will get new ideas while you do the coding.


Good point!
;)

Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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