The elaborate on Charlie's statement, the hacks will at some point bite us on the rear end. There's a huge possibility we'll be going back and re-fixing those fixes. I'm too lazy to put myself in that position, which is why I chose this profession in the first place.

Joe Taylor
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Charlie Bartlett wrote:

Because it is a hack, I tend to use the same technique as Joesph, I think its best to avoid hacks wherever possible. Charlie
http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk
On 11/15/05, *The Visual Process* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    I'm confused at your suggestion, why add extra markup when you
    just need
    to use the box model hack in the css
    http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html

    Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:

    > I'm not sure...about a physical reference but here's an example:
    >
    > http://sitesbyjoe.com/box_examples.htm
    >
    > It seems to work flawlessly, and its simplicity makes me feel good
    > about using this approach.  It also frees me from having to stick
    > hacks in to try and please the browsers.
    >
    > Joe Taylor
    > http://sitesbyjoe.com
    >
    >
    > James O'Neill wrote:
    >
    >> Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference
    for
    >> this?
    >>
    >> Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight.
    >>
    >> Thanks guys!
    >>
    >> On 11/15/05, * Joseph R. B. Taylor* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
    >>
    >>     As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths
    to any
    >>     elements that have a border, padding or a margin.  In the
    case you
    >>     need
    >>     to apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best
    is to
    >>     insert
    >>     a nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up.
    >>
    >>     This has long since been a point of confusion for many
    people, and
    >>     this
    >>     simple remedy (although in the long term not the best)
    proves most
    >>     effective with todays browsers.
    >>
    >>     Joe Taylor
    >>     http://sitesbyjoe.com
    >>
    >>     Thierry Koblentz wrote:
    >>
    >>     >James O'Neill wrote:
    >>     >
    >>     >
    >>     >>I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the
    >> Alistapart's
    >>     >>hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even
    >>     with the
    >>     >>rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It
    works
    >> fine
    >>     >>in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for
    quite a
    >>     >>long time.
    >>     >>
    >>     >>It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I
    >>     expect
    >>     >>them. Oi!
    >>     >>
    >>     >>http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/
    >>     >>
    >>     >>"Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope"
    >>     >>
    >>     >>
    >>     >
    >>     >Did you give this one a try?
    >>     >http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp
    <http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp>
    >>     <http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp>
    >>     >It is a bit moe accessible.
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