From: "heretic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Unless the device actually linearises tables properly, simple/complex
doesn't matter - it's tables used yes/no. I wouldn't bet anything on
any mobile device getting anything at all right. We've tested quite a
few and most of them are absolutely rotten.
Agreed. But if we allow "rotten" handheld companies to dictate how web
pages are made, then I consider that more of a problem. In my very
humble opinion, anyone who attempts normal web surfing on a handheld
is likely the sort who tries to catch fish without a fishing pole.
Have a look at this page:
http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/zealotry/linear_basics_ssi.htm
There must be a point here, but I'm not seeing it. Are you trying to
suggest we should use SSIs? For one thing, we do. For another.. to
separate the layout table from the content you'd have to pepper the
file with SSI hooks - not something I'd do.
I wasn't trying to teach or advise you, specifically, to do anything
:-) You raised the point that a benefit of table-less or over tables
is that the layout can be changed without changing the markup on every
page. Since, my whole point has been that using a simple layout table,
as opposed to a nested monstrosity, can sometimes be a good thing, I
was trying to illustrate that if one really wanted to have the same
versatility, he could very easily deploy the tab tags in includes -
affording a means to convert the layout container to DIVs in the
future. It's not peppered with SSIs - I think it's very easy and quite
elegant, actually.
What I'm
trying to do is to let people know that if a certain projects and
clients could be more efficiently dealt with by using a simple,
clean
table structure, they don't have to feel stupid, evil, or unclean.
There is alleged to be a small faction of intolerant, and somtimes
condescending, people within the standards/CSS community.
I've found that many developers out there would take that point and
turn it into "that standards guy said layout tables were fine" and
spray nested tables and font tags all over their apps again. Give an
inch, they'll take ten miles. That's why standardistas can come across
as being so inflexible I guess :)
That's what I've always thought - and that's why I'm flexible and
pragmatic about the subject. Someone has to have the moxie to call an
accurate game.
Al Sparber
PVII
http://www.projectseven.com
"Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling
mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that
repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday".
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