On 5/10/07, Kevin Futter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Russ is indeed absolutely correct. These terms are confused all the time,
and while colloquial use might have become blurred in recent years, their
technical definitions have not.

I'm genuinely interested in seeing some references on the proper
technical definitions of the terms; apparently even linguists don't
agree, and fifty/sixty years of usage (at least) seems a rather loose
interpretation of "recent years."

I was unable to dig up any positive position one way or t'other, just
varying opinion.

I promise, I won't argue any more on the matter, since this is getting
awfully pedantic, but I am genuinely curious:  if anyone has some
concrete sources on the subject, please let me know; off list would be
fine.

Dan Dorman


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