EBS Admin, from what I read it looked like it was a motto, not some keywords.
-- Brett P. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:29, EBS Admin <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net>wrote: > Hi Darren, > > Maybe if you read what I wrote properly you would see that the > H1 surrounding the logo has different key words in it depending on the page. > I use text <h1>Site name – keywords</h1> as my logo and style it with CSS > and therefore each one is unique, semantic and great for SEO > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Darren Lovelock > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 16:33 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > > To have the logo as a H1 on every page will most likely trigger spam > filters in the search engines as you are duplicating the heading throughout > the website, they should always be unique. Anyone advising to do this to > boost your page's keyword relevancy simply doesn't know what they are > talking about. > > > > I cant think of a single reason why you would wrap a H1 around a logo as > there is no advantage to you, search engines or your visitors. Maybe if you > had a business directory where each listing had its own logo and alt text of > the company name then it could work there but not if there was already an H1 > on the page. > > > > The only case that you could possibly use two H1s on a page is if you had a > page containing two entirely different topics. But then again wouldn't you > just put this content on two separate pages? If your sites theme is to > write about lots of different content e.g. a general blog, then it should > have a main H1 and each topic be summarised using H2's and then include a > link to their own individual pages. > > > > Why is the topic starter looking for reasons for why they shouldn't do it, > when they should be asking themselves what is their reason for using the H1 > this way in the first place? > > > > Did they see it on some 'SEO's website and think 'they must know what they > are doing so I'll copy them'? LOL > > > > Maybe they should listen to the SEO expert they've already spoken to... > > > > I would have thought it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't do it ;) > > > > Darren Lovelock > > Munky Online Web Design > > http://www.munkyonline.co.uk > > T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *EBS Admin > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:52 > > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > The way to wrap the H1 for the logo is not to wrap it around an image, the > fist H1 should be text with keywords for the page that is being represented > in a grammatical format, with clever use of CSS these can be styled up to > look like graphic logos but degrade for accessibility and provide a tool to > get the H1 as the first element in a page whilst complementing the > semantics, accessibility and seo requirements. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *ja...@flexewebs.com > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:45 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > Yes but my argument against putting the H1 around the logo is that the logo > is present on all pages and typically each site will be optimised for it's > brand name (e.g. Flexewebs) so no value in highlighting that. > > I would potentially agree with you if you were arguing for putting H1 > around other content within the page, but certainly not the logo. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"EBS Admin" <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> > > *Date: *Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:36:00 +0100 > > *To: *<wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > > *Subject: *RE: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > > > Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be > shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be > the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more > the 1 H1. > > > > For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, > and has a similar effect for screen readers. > > > > Hope this makes it a little clearer. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Grant > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 15:25 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > *Subject:* Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? > > EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that > you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. > > Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys > being on first page of Google. > > My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all > of the points I mentioned. > > You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify > your reasoning behind it. > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin < > ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: > > Jason, > > Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is > advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make > sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses > mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. > > > > The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use > multiple H1's! > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Grant > *Sent:* 16 October 2009 14:48 > *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > > > *Subject:* Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG > Digest) > > > > Tim > > > > To keep it really simple: > > > > Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 > per page > > > > Hope this makes sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > Jason > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel>(video from > March 2009) > > > > Tim > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com> wrote: > > Tim, > > > Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. > > > > However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give > it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices > as well as general semantics and IA best practices. > > > > So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not > the be all and end all of guidelines. > > > > Thanks, > > Jason > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld <m...@langfeldesigns.com> > wrote: > > ... > > > > H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, > there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. > > ... > > > > So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of > the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. > > > > > > Let's look at what the specification says; > > > > "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it > introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to > construct a table of contents for a document automatically. > > There are six levels of headings in HTML with > H1<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> as > the most important and > H6<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> as > the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger > fonts than less important ones." > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 > > Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only > 1 per page. In fact, the example shows two being used. > > ~ Tim > > > ******************************************************************* > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > -- > Jason Grant BSc, MSc > CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. > www.flexewebs.com > ja...@flexewebs.com > +44 (0)7748 591 770 > Company no.: 5587469 > > www.flexewebs.com/semantix > www.twitter.com/flexewebs > www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > > > > -- > Jason Grant BSc, MSc > CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. > www.flexewebs.com > ja...@flexewebs.com > +44 (0)7748 591 770 > Company no.: 5587469 > > www.flexewebs.com/semantix > www.twitter.com/flexewebs > www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - 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