Okay so the justify, the first H1 is the title of a page which is to be shown at the top of a page commonly used as the logo. The next h1 will be the subject title i.e. Welcome to... so semantically this would require more the 1 H1. For accessibility which styles switched off it clearly breaks up the pages, and has a similar effect for screen readers. Hope this makes it a little clearer.
_____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 15:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: More than one H1? EBS Admin - Matt doesn't say to use multiple H1s on the page, but says that you will not get penalised for using them (within reason) on a given page. Every site I ever worked on I had used only one H1 on and it still enjoys being on first page of Google. My formula, hence, does not only say Google or only Accessibility, but all of the points I mentioned. You say it is semantic to use more than one H1, but don't actually justify your reasoning behind it. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, EBS Admin <ad...@essentialebizsolutions.net> wrote: Jason, Thats clearly not the case, if you read the WIA guidlines then is advocates the use of multiple H1's, from an semantic point of view they make sense and in terms of SEO the make sense because every site we've built uses mutiple H1's and they enjoy page 1 results on Google. The video that Tim has just sent in is by Google and they say to use multiple H1's! _____ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: 16 October 2009 14:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest) Tim To keep it really simple: Spec + SEO + Good IA + Semantics + Accessibility + Common sense == One H1 per page Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: OK, straight from Google Webmaster Central: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> &feature=channel <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn5qJKU8VM&feature=channel> (video from March 2009) Tim On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Jason Grant <ja...@flexewebs.com> wrote: Tim, Well done for reading the spec - it's always a must. However, Google came after the HTML4.01 spec and what Google wants we give it - so the 'only one H1 per page' guideline comes from SEO best practices as well as general semantics and IA best practices. So the spec does not tell you to use one H1 per page, but the spec is not the be all and end all of guidelines. Thanks, Jason On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tim White <tjameswh...@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Marilyn Langfeld <m...@langfeldesigns.com> wrote: ... H1 is reserved for the title of the page. In a document, at least, there's only one title, while there may be many first level headings. ... So H1 is, IMHO, not the first level header, but the T1, or main title of the page. A logo is never, IMHO again, the title of the page. Let's look at what the specification says; "A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically. There are six levels of headings in HTML with <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1> H1 as the most important and <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H6> H6 as the least. Visual browsers usually render more important headings in larger fonts than less important ones." <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5 Nowhere does it say that H1s are for page titles or that there can be only 1 per page. 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