Felix, FYI, I was not complaining and yes I do understand and constantly have 
to tell my print designer pixel-control -freak clients that websites cannot 
look the same, unable to look the same; I also understand how the EM works, 
perhaps not as precise as you do but I do know what I need to know.

What I see in Safari right now, is not normal, perhaps it's a Safari specific 
bug that you mentioned early, but I want to learn more before I decide to sign 
up an account to file a bug; or this maybe just how Safari handles a layout 
when the container width sets in EM and is a normal behavior; in 5 years I have 
only done less than 5 sites that used EM for width and I have never seen this 
until now. I am quite certain chances for any web developer to stumble on this 
'bug' or 'this behavior of Safari' is very rare because 1) EM layout is of 
minority; 2) it requires the browse font size be reduced or increased to 
trigger the behavior.

If this is how Safari has always been, then yes, I still think EM is not stable 
to use for layout width, precisely the reason that you raised a number of time, 
that some users do set their font sizes bigger/smaller.

http://greensho.nexcess.net/em-vs-px/18px-fontsize.png

tee
On Jul 30, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2010/07/30 14:05 (GMT-0700) tee composed:
> 
>> I did another test by increasing Safari's font size to 18px, and the
>> layout expanded. This makes the EM not stable to use for layout. I wonder
>> if it has always like this for Safari or is a new bug.
> 
> I'm having a hard time understanding what seems to be your complaint, which
> is that the size of an em can vary. Variation in size of an em is WAD. Are
> you sure you understand the definition? It might help to read it in context
> of all its modern relatives: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/
> 
> It may be that your meaning of "stable" will be addressed through appropriate
> use of rem instead of em as browser support for that new unit becomes the 
> norm.
> 
> In the mean time remember the web is not paper. Flexibility and absence of
> rigid sameness is the web's inherent advantage.
> http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
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