NA VHF Contest mode should not be used in a DX contest, or at least
one with significant potential for DX.

It was frustrating for me too, mostly because of the inconsistency.

73
Ria, N2RJ
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:15 PM David Fisher <dsfis...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Sometimes stations would call “CQ WW xxxx yyyy”.  In that case, it was easy 
> to select contest mode and return the call.  But in many other cases, the 
> other station would give no hint he was in contest mode until his mangled 
> grid square was received.  In those cases I got the pop up that prompted me 
> to turn on contest mode.  I did so, but all of that takes time, coordination 
> and practice to make work smoothly.
>
>
>
> I one case that I ran as an experiment, I called CQ in contest mode, got a 
> reply, then got a message through JTAlertX asking what I was doing and why my 
> grid square didn’t make sense.  Etc. etc. etc.
>
>
>
> Bottom line – I wasn’t in the contest, but I made a mess of a number of other 
> station’s contest mode QSOs, which defeated the intent of contest mode.
>
>
>
> Dave / NX6D
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> ________________________________
> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w...@w0mu.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:37:07 PM
> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [wsjt-devel] Contest mode CQVHF
>
> First of all I want to thank everyone for this great advancement in the
> hobby!
>
>
> The CQ WW VHF was my first exposure to contest mode and it was a very
> frustrating 27 hours.
>
> If I am in contest mode and I call CQ and get an answer from someone who
> is not, there is essentially no way to complete a qso unless one side
> changes into or out of contest mode.  What happened to me is I would
> switch and then the other side would switch and we would be opposite.
> Frustrating!
>
> The main issue is that we cannot expect those not in the contest to have
> to switch into a specific mode to work us.  This does not happen in any
> other contest.  We cannot expect this from casual ops.  I am glad they
> want to work me.  Being able to work them should be painless too!
>
> Why is contest mode needed?  If a qso is good in contest mode with less
> sequences I suggest that all FT8 exchanges be the same. Is there a
> specific reason two have multiple sets of exchanges for in a contest and
> not in a contest?  I don't think so.
>
> I understand that this was an issue for the June VHF contest too.
>
> If you guys can move my xmit around in fox/hound mode, which worked out
> really well, there has to be a solution for this.  I believe that the
> fox was still able to work people not running hound?  We need the same
> ability in contest mode.
>
> I believe that this is already being examined but I thought I would give
> my feedback.  I would be happy to provide more information if desired.
>
> Thanks again for all the hard work in bringing us FT8!
>
> W0MU
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