On 23/04/2019 16:40, Tom Melvin wrote:
I don’t want to assume so will ask - FT4 aimed at ‘Contest Friendly digital 
modes’ - cool - BUT will it cater for the pile of weird contest rules that are 
out there. The abundance of requests for QSO Parties, Field Days where 
non-standards messages.  Heck for us UK VHF types - 6 character Locator squares 
etc.

Hi Tom,

the FT8 payload protocol is identical to that of FT8 and MSK144, that means it can support each of the contest modes available on the "Settings->Advanced->Special operating activity" panel. That already includes EU VHF Contest mode which is designed to match Region 1 VHF and up contest rules requiring exchange of a 6-digit Maidenhead locator, report and serial number. With respect to generic contest support, that will not happen due to the constraints of fitting the messages into the 77-bit payload. There will be many requests to support various contest but that is not possible since the ones we have are "baked in" to the message encoding and restricted to exactly and rigidly the required exchange information. For example a naive observer might think that the US states and VE provinces used in the RTTY Roundup contest exchange may be used for some other contest that uses a different set of regional abbreviations, that is not how it works as the codes are not sent as is but compressed to an index number only. A less naive observer might then say well that's ok, just change the translation of the indexes to contest X's exchange requirements, but we are very unlikely to do that because there is no space in the message to encode which set of mappings are to be used and chaos will follow with decoded messages being widely misinterpreted.

Here is a simple case study of a request to support a particular contest. The ARRL Winter Field Day (WFD) is almost identical in exchange requirements as the ARRL Field Day (FD), the only difference is that WFD uses a different set of class category codes, (I)door, (O)utdoor, and (H)ome. So initially it seems trivial to use 'I', 'O', and 'H' instead of the normal FD 'A' thru 'F' class category codes. This doesn't work for two reasons, firstly the codes are hard coded, and secondly even if they weren't they all have to fit into three bits. So we could change the encoding and decoding to accept 'A' thru 'F' *and two other codes* but there is no room for a third, it is simply not possible to encode the nine required values in three bits. All we could offer to the many that requested support for WFD is that three of the 'A' thru 'F' categories be accepted by the WFD organizers as valid substitutes for their 'I', 'O', and 'H' categories. Of course they didn't accept that, why should the software for a new digital mode enforce a change in the long standing rules for an established contest. Anyway either because our unavoidable technical intransigence, or more likely because a strictly formatted digital mode exchange is not really in the sprit of a FD w/e, they simple changed the rules such that FT8 is not allowed for valid WFD contacts.

73
Bill
G4WJS.



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