-70 Hz at 50.313 MHz is a relative velocity of about -209 m/s or -468 mph.  
That's in the ballpark for a jet aircraft.

On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:19, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV 
<k1...@comcast.net<mailto:k1...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Reino,
 Yes, the main stronger FT8 signal is the one heard directly. The Doppler 
shifted signals, reflected from the direction of a strong Es cloud, are usually 
between 40 and over 100 Hz lower, with the average of around -70 Hz.
73,
Rich - K1HTV

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From: Reino Talarmo 
<reino.tala...@kolumbus.fi<mailto:reino.tala...@kolumbus.fi>>
To: "'WSJT software development'" 
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:10:57 +0300
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals
Hi All,
Perhaps this a wrong forum, but still I like to ask how you explain ghost 
signals with varying frequency offset? Do you have both a direct signal and an 
ES reflection from a moving cloud?
73, Reino oh3ma
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