On 8/28/21 11:04 PM, Claude Frantz via wsjt-devel wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> These references are interesting, but we have to remember that we are
> speaking about HF communication on short-wave bands, in half duplex
> mode. None of the actors (the stations on the band) has a full
> knowledge of the whole situation of the communication channel in use.
> Each station has only knowledge about the stations it can see on its
> own receiver during the receiving slots. This is not a global view.
> Further, the situation is continuously changing because of the
> changing propagation conditions. In this context, with this limited
> information, it is very difficult to find the good choice in a global
> sense.
That's exactly the point I made in my old MACA paper. I argued you can
do better by inferring what other stations are hearing than by simply
noting when your own receiver is active. If you hear a station turn it
over to someone else and then the channel goes silent (to you), you can
reasonably infer that you probably should not transmit now.
>
> PSKreporter is the tool which has a better global overview, but its
> use is not mandatory, not always possible and PSKreporter displays a
> view of the past because of the technology used. In the context of
> continuously changing propagation, this information is of limited
> usefulness.

It also means increased dependency on the Internet. I like the Internet
as much as anyone, but we should be careful about depending on it too
much. We're already dependent on either GPS or the Internet for time.


>
> When my partner station cannot copy me well, it makes sense to try to
> use another TX frequency which seems to be free according to my own
> RX. Perhaps, this can help, but it's not sure. If cannot see what the
> RX of my partner displays. I cannot verify if my decision was good. If
> the situation persists, I can just try another TX frequency again.
>
Yes, and my idea is to try all those frequencies in a pseudo random
sequence that he can duplicate (because he knows my callsign and the
time) so I don't have to tell him. And even if one transmission
collides, hopefully the next one won't.

I haven't yet gotten into methods to keep channels stable under heavy
overload, e..g, exponential backoff, but they can come later.

Phil





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