With no more comments, I consider this issue decided. Tim, please go ahead and work with Zeljko and Alister to add WatirGrid to our website.
Bret On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hey I wanted to loop some more people into this discussion. So far I have > seen what I interpret as one +1 vote (Charley) and two +0 votes (Alister and > me). > > Please read the the thread and vote. Also I'm very interested in the wider > issues that have been raised including who should have a vote in questions > like this and what does Watir need to do to continue to be a viable project? > > bret > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tim Koopmans <tim.ko...@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: WatirGrid > To: Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com>, Charley Baker < > charley.ba...@gmail.com>, Željko Filipin <zeljko.fili...@gmail.com>, > Alister Scott <alister.sc...@gmail.com> > > > Indeed you make a good point about focus Bret. > > I would like to add another point which is *relevance*. How do we ensure > Watir stays relevant in the long term, especially since webdriver is > bringing the Se and Watir projects closer than ever before. An instinctual > fear of mine is that the project with less relevance will die. I didn't want > to say "ye with less features will perish" as I don't believe that, but > sometimes features/support/doco add to feeling of relevance. > > Because I'm thinking of a business model based on Watir (for gridinit) I > sit and ponder on this point of relevance a lot lately. Especially when I > stare at the numbers on this page: > http://ruby-toolbox.com/categories/browser_testing.html > > By those numbers, *perhaps* Watir is already losing relevance in the Ruby > community... our primary audience no? > > Bret made an excellent point at his key note: "Watir makes testers better > developers, Selenium makes developers better testers". My experience has > been to start with Watir, then move on to other testing APIs such as webrat > or capybara as I inevitably do more development. But I 'm thinking people > stay on those latter tools, only to fold them back into something like > Selenium. Why is that happening? Hence I worry that Watir is losing > relevance as a test-in-the-browser tool... My job next week is to look at a > capybara adapter for watir for this reason... > > Sorry for the loose train of thought (post coffee)... Only related to the > original request because I want Watir to stay relevant as a test API. > Inevitably it may already be losing focus as a core browser driver since > IMHO webdriver is stepping up to that same plate. > > in short, > > *survival = focus + relevance* > > I'd suggest adding a framework section, where things like testing > frameworks (including rspec, cucumber, watirsplash, taza, watirgrid) could > exist > > e.g. top menu on watir.com > Watir Day! Installation Examples Documentation Platform > > becomes ... > Installation Examples Frameworks Documentation Platform > > I'm not sure how we 'vote' for what frameworks make that space, and not > sure how selenium does it. Maybe we could just say > a. it must be a gem > b. it must have tests > c. it must have doco/examples > d. it must have > 2K downloads on rubygems? > > I think 'blessing' frameworks would acknowledge contribution outside the > core platform and encourage further development / contributions ... Reading > "rebel code" it seems the later success of Linux amongst many things was > underpinned by a large amount of contributors, at first around only the > kernel, but then later things like X11, KDE, OpenOffice really made Linux > the complete package (which for the Linus-like purists, never thought > initially they should be in the package). Perhaps some parallels there ;-) > > Cheers, > Tim > > 2011/4/20 Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com> > >> As part of the process of joining the Conservancy, we need to define who >> has a vote in questions like this. I don't want to make these decisions the >> same way the Selenium team does. I'm still collecting my thoughts on what >> the right process for us would be. I'd appreciate comments if you all have >> opinions. >> >> I don't have strong feelings one way or another on the Watir Grid >> question. On the one hand, Watir has benefited from a focus on the core >> browser driver. I think it has been good that we have never blessed any >> particular testing framework (rspec, cucumber, taza, watircraft). On the >> other hand, Watir benefits from being seen as part of an ecosystem. >> >> Bret >> >> >> 2011/4/19 Charley Baker <charley.ba...@gmail.com> >> >>> I think it belongs, it's an important part of the Watir ecosystem. >>> >>> >>> Charley Baker >>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://watir.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Alister Scott <alister.sc...@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I personally don't have any issues with it being on Watir.com. >>>> Does anyone else? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Alister Scott >>>> Brisbane, Australia >>>> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >>>> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >>>> >>>> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate more >>>> and more. The other is to desire less." *~ G. K. Chesterton* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Tim Koopmans <tim.ko...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> Was going to send this to wtr-dev but thought you 4 to be the best >>>>> custodians of watir promotions / watir.com ... >>>>> >>>>> Do you think there's merit / space to reference WatirGrid on >>>>> watir.commuch the same as SeleniumGrid on >>>>> seleniumhq.org? I'm thinking it's reached a certain amount of maturity >>>>> / usability to be a viable tool for distributing watir based tests ... >>>>> >>>>> Disclaimer: I am interested in promoting aspects of WatirGrid with a >>>>> vested interest in the commercial implementation Gridinit.com which is >>>>> nearing readiness for public beta testing =) Just working on examples with >>>>> different test frameworks and possibly screen casts to help explain what >>>>> this all does. >>>>> >>>>> Funnily enough WatirGrid also now supports Selenium test cases (I >>>>> wanted to do that for Gridinit). Check them out and see what you think. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> @90kts >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog> >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > Tim > > @90kts > > > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog> > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > -- Bret Pettichord Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord
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