I don't see anything bad for adding frameworks-like section to watir.com to show that Watir is actively used as a platform for other tools too to make the life even easier. It would show that Watir is more popular as it already seems to be :)
Jarmo On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com> wrote: > With no more comments, I consider this issue decided. Tim, please go ahead > and work with Zeljko and Alister to add WatirGrid to our website. > > Bret > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hey I wanted to loop some more people into this discussion. So far I have >> seen what I interpret as one +1 vote (Charley) and two +0 votes (Alister and >> me). >> >> Please read the the thread and vote. Also I'm very interested in the wider >> issues that have been raised including who should have a vote in questions >> like this and what does Watir need to do to continue to be a viable project? >> >> bret >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Tim Koopmans <tim.ko...@gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: WatirGrid >> To: Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com>, Charley Baker >> <charley.ba...@gmail.com>, Željko Filipin <zeljko.fili...@gmail.com>, >> Alister Scott <alister.sc...@gmail.com> >> >> >> Indeed you make a good point about focus Bret. >> I would like to add another point which is relevance. How do we ensure >> Watir stays relevant in the long term, especially since webdriver is >> bringing the Se and Watir projects closer than ever before. An instinctual >> fear of mine is that the project with less relevance will die. I didn't want >> to say "ye with less features will perish" as I don't believe that, but >> sometimes features/support/doco add to feeling of relevance. >> Because I'm thinking of a business model based on Watir (for gridinit) I >> sit and ponder on this point of relevance a lot lately. Especially when I >> stare at the numbers on this >> page: http://ruby-toolbox.com/categories/browser_testing.html >> By those numbers, perhaps Watir is already losing relevance in the Ruby >> community... our primary audience no? >> Bret made an excellent point at his key note: "Watir makes testers better >> developers, Selenium makes developers better testers". My experience has >> been to start with Watir, then move on to other testing APIs such as webrat >> or capybara as I inevitably do more development. But I 'm thinking people >> stay on those latter tools, only to fold them back into something like >> Selenium. Why is that happening? Hence I worry that Watir is losing >> relevance as a test-in-the-browser tool... My job next week is to look at a >> capybara adapter for watir for this reason... >> Sorry for the loose train of thought (post coffee)... Only related to the >> original request because I want Watir to stay relevant as a test API. >> Inevitably it may already be losing focus as a core browser driver since >> IMHO webdriver is stepping up to that same plate. >> in short, >> survival = focus + relevance >> I'd suggest adding a framework section, where things like testing >> frameworks (including rspec, cucumber, watirsplash, taza, watirgrid) could >> exist >> e.g. top menu on watir.com >> Watir Day! Installation Examples Documentation Platform >> becomes ... >> Installation Examples Frameworks Documentation Platform >> I'm not sure how we 'vote' for what frameworks make that space, and not >> sure how selenium does it. Maybe we could just say >> a. it must be a gem >> b. it must have tests >> c. it must have doco/examples >> d. it must have > 2K downloads on rubygems? >> I think 'blessing' frameworks would acknowledge contribution outside the >> core platform and encourage further development / contributions ... Reading >> "rebel code" it seems the later success of Linux amongst many things was >> underpinned by a large amount of contributors, at first around only the >> kernel, but then later things like X11, KDE, OpenOffice really made Linux >> the complete package (which for the Linus-like purists, never thought >> initially they should be in the package). Perhaps some parallels there ;-) >> Cheers, >> Tim >> 2011/4/20 Bret Pettichord <bpettich...@gmail.com> >>> >>> As part of the process of joining the Conservancy, we need to define who >>> has a vote in questions like this. I don't want to make these decisions the >>> same way the Selenium team does. I'm still collecting my thoughts on what >>> the right process for us would be. I'd appreciate comments if you all have >>> opinions. >>> >>> I don't have strong feelings one way or another on the Watir Grid >>> question. On the one hand, Watir has benefited from a focus on the core >>> browser driver. I think it has been good that we have never blessed any >>> particular testing framework (rspec, cucumber, taza, watircraft). On the >>> other hand, Watir benefits from being seen as part of an ecosystem. >>> >>> Bret >>> >>> 2011/4/19 Charley Baker <charley.ba...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> I think it belongs, it's an important part of the Watir ecosystem. >>>> >>>> Charley Baker >>>> Lead Developer, Watir, http://watir.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Alister Scott >>>> <alister.sc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I personally don't have any issues with it being on Watir.com. >>>>> Does anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Alister Scott >>>>> Brisbane, Australia >>>>> Watir Web Master: http://watir.com >>>>> Blog: http://watirmelon.com >>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisterscott >>>>> >>>>> "There are two ways to get enough: One is to continue to accumulate >>>>> more and more. The other is to desire less." ~ G. K. Chesterton >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Tim Koopmans <tim.ko...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>> Was going to send this to wtr-dev but thought you 4 to be the best >>>>>> custodians of watir promotions / watir.com ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think there's merit / space to reference WatirGrid on watir.com >>>>>> much the same as SeleniumGrid on seleniumhq.org? I'm thinking it's >>>>>> reached a >>>>>> certain amount of maturity / usability to be a viable tool for >>>>>> distributing >>>>>> watir based tests ... >>>>>> Disclaimer: I am interested in promoting aspects of WatirGrid with a >>>>>> vested interest in the commercial implementation Gridinit.com which is >>>>>> nearing readiness for public beta testing =) Just working on examples >>>>>> with >>>>>> different test frameworks and possibly screen casts to help explain what >>>>>> this all does. >>>>>> Funnily enough WatirGrid also now supports Selenium test cases (I >>>>>> wanted to do that for Gridinit). Check them out and see what you think. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> @90kts >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bret Pettichord >>> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com >>> >>> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog >>> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> @90kts >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bret Pettichord >> Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com >> >> Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog >> Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord >> > > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com > > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > > _______________________________________________ > Wtr-development mailing list > Wtr-development@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development > _______________________________________________ Wtr-development mailing list Wtr-development@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/wtr-development
