I would favour prov:has_provenance over prov:hasprovenance or prov:provenance.

I have a concern that prov:provenance reads more like a class name than a property/relation. Also, can we be sure that, in future, someone won't want to define prov:Provenance as a class of some kind? (Because of the case insensitive matching defined by RFC5988, and arguably good practice generally, the capitalized form should be off-limits for future use if prov:provenance is selected.

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On 26/02/2013 10:51, Paul Groth wrote:
That seems to be the best way then.

so prov:hasprovenance or prov:has_provenance

?

Paul


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Ivan Herman <[email protected]> wrote:

Do you mean the element that is generated into the header of the HTML? If
that is the only place it appears, I think we can change that for the
published PR document before handing it over to the webmaster.

Ivan

On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:42 , Luc Moreau <[email protected]> wrote:

It's in the <link> element we added last week.

On 26/02/2013 09:40, Ivan Herman wrote:
Graham,

I am not sure I understand something.

I have looked at the prov-o document, and that document does not
mention the prov:hasProvenance term. Ie, where does this term appear in any
of the four Rec-track documents? More importantly, does it appear, if it
does, in a normative section?

Ivan


On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:30 , Graham Klyne<[email protected]>  wrote:


Hi,

[I'm keeping this off-list for now, because if Ivan says there's
nothing we can do at this juncture, I see little point in opening the issue
for wider discussion.  I am cc'ing www-archive so there's a record of our
discussion.]

This is a bit embarrassing, given an email I wrote just a couple of
days ago.

I'm working through comments on PROV-AQ, and Stian has raised the
following:

[[
32) According to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988#section-4.2

When extension relation types are compared, they MUST be compared as
   strings (after converting to URIs if serialised in a different
   format, such as a Curie [W3C.CR-curie-20090116]) in a case-
   insensitive fashion, character-by-character.  Because of this, all-
   lowercase URIs SHOULD be used for extension relations.

Should we not have relation URIs that are all lowercase to avoid
problems?  ie.

Link:<http://acme.example.org/provenance/super-widget>;
           rel="http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#hasprovenance";
]]

I had completely missed this in RFC5988, and had forgotten about
Stian's comment when I replied a couple of days ago.

If we hadn't just been through the incorporation of provenance links
into the published documents, I'd suggest changing "hasProvenance" to
"has_provenance" to avoid the problems noted.

So, what now?  I see a few options:

(a) keep the same name, and simply note that, when used as a link
relation, prov:hasProvenance is compared case-insensitively.
(b) if it's not too late, change the property name
(c) define a second property that is all lowercase, and declared
equivalent to the first.

As far as I can tell, the main consequence of going with option (a) is
that we MUST NOT in future define a different property/relation
prov:hasprovenance, as under some circumstances covered by RFC5988, this
would be indistinguishable from prov:hasProvenance.

Given where we now are, my inclination would be to stay with things as
they are, but add a note reserving the all lower-case versions of
prov:hasProvenance, etc., from future use because of the case insensitivity
comparison requirement.

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