Martin it can be very difficult to navigate the Apache policies
sometimes.

I looked at http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles and
it seems to me that Carlos and Michael M fall under "developers". If we
need CLAs for Jira patches I guess we can do that but I have in the past
checked in patches from people without CLAs.

The actual code changes here are fairly small, although I am not
familiar with the exact scope it is stuff on the level of creating a
regular expression once and saving it rather than creating a new one
every time, or using "connectOnce" instead of "connect" to connect
events. I don't believe there are any new files or substantial blocks of
new code.

I can hold off on comitting the changes. (I don't see that patch filed
yet anyway) Maybe you could look at the patch after it is filed and help
make the judgement call if it is signicant changes or simple bug fixes?

I would like to get the perf improvements checked in without waiting for
a CLA if that is possible because the performance changes makes a fairly
large difference. It isn't a lot of code change but the effect is rather
large.

James M



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Martin Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Optmizations

On 3/21/07, James Margaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> He has submitted Jira patches in the past and this one will be 
> submitted as well.
>
> I was under the impression that Jira patches did not need CLAs filed.
> Isn't the process supposed to be that people file patches and we patch

> them into the repository?
>
> Michael Mikhaylov has submitted patches for:
>
> XAP-314
> XAP-333
> XAP-318


Interesting. I wonder if there is a problem with JIRA. I searched for
his name in JIRA, and it came back with only XAP-314, which is the only
one Google finds too. Looking at the other issues you list does show his
name, so it's strange that a search doesn't find them.

Carlos Sanchez recently submitted a Maven patch that I or someone else
> will hopefully take a look at and commit soon. Have you heard of 
> Carlos Sanchez before? I haven't but I appreciate the work that he
did.


If it's the same Carlos Sanchez, I believe he is a committer on the
Maven project.

More up-front communication about what people are working on would be
> good but I don't see why the lack of that would rule out patching in 
> the code that they wrote and submitted to Jira.
>
> If I have some fundamental misunderstanding of how this works please 
> let me know, but I thought that Jira contributors did not need CLAs
filed.


At some level, it becomes a judgement call, but the default should be
that a CLA is required. To quote from the CLA section on this page:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/

"The ASF desires that all contributors of ideas, code, or documentation
to the Apache projects complete, sign, and submit [a CLA]"

Many projects tend to let this slide for minor bug fixes and patches
(which is where the judgement call comes in), but for anything more than
that, we should really be getting a CLA, for legal protection reasons. I
brought it up here because you mentioned that 95% of what seemed to me
likely to be a significant commit was coming from someone who has not
previously file a CLA.

--
Martin Cooper


James M
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Martin Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:53 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Optmizations
>
> On 3/21/07, James Margaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Tonight I am going to check in some optimizations that Michael 
> > Mikhaylov and I have been working on. (95% Michael, 5% me)
>
>
> Since 95% of this is coming from someone else, and he's not a 
> committer, we're going to need him to file a CLA first. Please have 
> him fax one in, and hold off on your commit until it has been received

> by the ASF secretary.
>
> Who is this Michael Mikhaylov? I haven't seen his name in relation to 
> XAP anywhere before. If he's working on XAP, he should be on the 
> lists, and we should be seeing the discussions of the work he's doing 
> right here on the xap-dev list.
>
> Remember, this is a community project, not a stealth development with 
> a public face.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> These optimizations are
> > geared around reducing startup time. The main optimization involves 
> > some changes to our use of dojo.connectEvent - calling it less 
> > frequently and changing the connect code itself a bit as well.
> >
> > Recently Michael Turyn checked in dojo 0.4, which also makes some 
> > performance improvements as well as fixing the behavior of some 
> > components. For example the tabbed pane response time is now a lot 
> > snappier when clicking on various tabs, and some operations like 
> > scrolling a large table inside of a tabbed pane are an order of 
> > magnitude faster.
> >
> > So hopefully people will start seeing a fairly significant speedup.
> >
> > James Margaris
> >
>

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