On Feb 18, 2008, at 17:33, Jason KG4WSV wrote:

On Feb 18, 2008 3:15 PM, Ernst Niggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

3) Installed Dev System and X11 from DVD, then the most recent version
(X11 2.1.4. from http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz )

Is this a fork of Apple's X11, or is it a replacement, or what? I've been getting X11 from Apple downloads (or the OS install media).

Leopard is the most busted OS X ever (and I ran the beta version of 10.0). Make me wonder if my hardware is dying.

Thanks for the update!

In order to get Leopard out on time some sacrifices were made. X11 was at least one of them that was a little sub-prime when shipped. The update to 10.5.2 includes some updates to X11 which make it somewhat better (effectively between 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 according to the programmer). These releases are official Apple releases from official Apple sources. In fact there are some contributions from the community and one of the leading contributors was recently hired by Apple and is hard at work on X11/Xquartz. When release candidates are available, and when they time right with other releases, Apple has committed to rolling the releases out via official channels (update program).

Part of the reason for the big issues was a complete rewrite from XFree86 to X.org (I think). I'm not sure all the reasons for the switch, but it was a big project and they didn't fully complete it in the window. It is now pretty stable though, and with the 10.5.2 update I think it is much more usable (and more so if you use the Xquartz updates).

There is an official Apple list (two actually) dedicated to this subject where you can listen to the latest chatter, contribute your experiences (positive and negative) and interact directly with the development staff at Apple. (Much like we do here.) These can be found at http://lists.apple.com and then click on the "Lists" button in the menu bar at the bottom of the page. This will show you all of the available lists. The one I'm on is "X11-users". I don't see the other one on the list, but it is more for developers anyway.



-- Chip
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-- Chip


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