So there are two parts to my proposal:
1. A volume-title variable to be used for books. As I say in the original
proposal, this needs to be distinct from title, container-title, and
collection-title. It is analytically in line with "volume" - in other
words, currently the only way we describe volumes of books is by their
number, but it's not uncommon for citation styles to also require their
title.
2. Using the same variable for the title of special issues. There, too, the
only way we describe an individual item is via number(s) (the combination
of issue and volume number) but for special issues, many citation styles
require a title as a descriptor. Technically this is an issue title and not
a volume-title, but it has the same logic. As for:
> If we're talking special journal issues, we have: item (article),
> issue (what I'd say is a container), and journal (a collection).
but that's not how we're using these terms in CSL. The journal title has
always been mapped to "container-title" so the journal is the container not
a collection. (And as per Nick, that also makes sense given bibliographic
conventions - a journal and a monograph are at the same level
bibliographically. Their titles are italicized, they get assigned a single
call number in libraries etc.).
I'm not wedded to calling this volume title, but what we need is a title to
describe items that we currently only describe by numbers.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Bruce D'Arcus <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not at this point making any particular recommendation. All I'm
> saying is that we need to step back and consider the use cases, and we
> need to do that within the context of the existing design.
>
> If we're talking about multi-volumed books, we have: item (book),
> volume (what is actually a collection of books), and optionally,
> series (also a collection of books, and/or book volumes). So that's
> awkward, particularly if you consider possibility of edited books.
>
> If we're talking special journal issues, we have: item (article),
> issue (what I'd say is a container), and journal (a collection). I
> made a design decision, that may or may not have been conscious at the
> time, to effectively through out the issue level in terms of its
> mapping to the basic logical levels.
>
> I don't much like at first glance adding something quite so concrete
> and orthogonal as "volume-title."
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sebastian Karcher
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > yeah, I'm with Nick here - using container-title for volume title is a
> > _very_ uncomfortable fit.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Nick Bart <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, 4 September 2013 13:00:47 UTC+2, Bruce D'Arcus wrote, on
> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pandoc-discuss/-SajbqoPX8k:
> >>
> >> > Yeah, I'm saying that a journal is (should be) really a collection,
> >> > as is a book series, a legal code, etc.
> >>
> >> > But let's move this to the CSL venues.
> >>
> >>
> >> I dont't actually think so. Monographs and journals are conceptually
> >> on the same level: they are the major independent bibliographic units,
> >> most bibliographic conventions dictate that their titles (and only
> >> their titles) are italicized, etc.
> >>
> >> Thus, I do not see a problem in continuing to use "container-title"
> >> for journal titles.
> >>
> >> Some journals do include series information, but this is conceptually
> >> very much unlike book series information: For journals, this is
> >> typically of the form "New series", or "2nd series", and indicates a
> >> subdivision of one journal, and appears immediately after the journal
> >> title, and in databases sometimes even as part of the title. It seems
> >> CSL does not have a variable for his kind of information yet. The CSL
> >> variable "section" comes close, but not quite.
> >>
> >> Upshot: I do not feel existing title variables ("title",
> >> "container-title", "collection-title") would need to be changed; it's
> >> only that one that is missing so far ("volume-title") needs to be
> >> added.
> >>
> >> Variable names of course, could be reconsidered. Even "volume-title"
> >> is not ideal since in the context of an article it would rather mean
> >> "issue-title", but for the sake of simplicity this could prabably be
> >> accepted.
> >>
> >>
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