IMO Aeon65 and LegacyDark (if it has legal fonts and Ekim232 is willing to continue development) should be considered for the repository, they don´t have too much in common nowadays. AeonMQ2 is too big, doesn´t have correctly licensed fonts, is not correctly translated to english and based on a fairly old Aeon65 build. (I really appreciate his work and will ask him if he wants to join us, don´t get me wrong) Aeon ShowMix also still needs a lot of cleaning and other fonts, don´t know if butchabay will continue his work there or join our team)
to jezz_x: yes, you´re right, things like logo.png or cdart.png require the albums and tvshows to be in seperate folders, i kept that in mind during coding. no view (except the dialogseekbar, but I will change that) relies on those extra images in order to look complete. I also want to add that I really appreciate all the work you´re doing, especially managing the new repo. I just want to help all those people out who can´t use git properly in order to get the skin :) Sorry for my english btw, not my biggest stregth. On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:06:31 +0200, Cory Fields <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jezz_X <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Although I disagree with most of what TheUni has said about this as have >> other team members, the main things I think we need are the skin must >> work >> out of the box 100% for everyone. Now this doesn't mean that all those >> fancy extra images should show to me but last time I looked AEON >> versions >> relied on the not always true fact the users store their movies >> in separate folders for each movie and if you didn't lots don't work. >> If this is no longer the case then I'm happy for it to go in as is since >> AEON65 really is nothing like the original AEON at all aside from >> general >> design >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Ppic <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> hi, >>> >>> don't know if it will help, but i'll soon pull a new version of logo >>> downloader which support poster and banner from the tvdb and support >>> custom >>> naming. >>> this will populate your tv show folders with banner.jpg / poster.jpg >>> etc... in one shot. >>> this will make easier for end user to get all this kind of varieties >>> necessary for aeon. >>> >>> Ppic >>> >>> 2010/10/19 Cory Fields <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Philipp Temminghoff >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Got an answer from DJH: >>>> > >>>> > "Funny that. I was just thinking about Aeon the other day. You're >>>> > welcome >>>> > to do whatever you like with it. :o)" >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:16:30 +0200, Philipp Temminghoff >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> 1. Ok, I understand this. Will try to contact DJH. >>>> >> 2. there are only 3 mods which are Dharma-compatible (mine, >>>> showcase >>>> >> and >>>> >> AeonMQ2) and >>>> >> the other ones don´t have correctly licensed fonts and are much >>>> >> bigger. >>>> >> Don´t really understand your comment about animosity though. >>>> >> 3. Aeon is probably the most hardware-consuming skin, that´s right. >>>> >> but that could be shown in the addon description for example. >>>> >> I also included a first start guide where you´re asked about your >>>> pc >>>> >> performance. >>>> >> the most hardware-consuming things are disabled then. >>>> >> 4. I´m makin use of several additional files like logo.png and some >>>> >> more, >>>> >> nothing different >>>> >> to the other skins in the official repository >>>> >> >>>> >> would be a pity if no Aeon version would make it into the official >>>> >> repo, >>>> >> because it´s still one of the most popular skins for xbmc (at >>>> least >>>> >> concerning forum participation) >>>> >> >>>> >> concerning stability: Aeon65 is stable since an xbmc bug fix (by >>>> >> jmarshall >>>> >> I think) several months ago. >>>> >> just test it (http://github.com/pix/aeon/tree/font_rework) >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>>> >> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>>> >> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications >>>> that >>>> >> run >>>> >> across multiple browsers and platforms. 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Download your free trials >>>> > today! >>>> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Xbmc-addons mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>>> > >>>> >>>> That's a good start. Please have him commit a license to his github >>>> repo, then it's a matter of public record. >>>> >>>> The other issues still stand. I'll be honest with you... the word >>>> "Aeon" does not sit well with most XBMC devs. We associate it with >>>> skin hacks, users doing crazy things, forks, half-completed features, >>>> bloat, the list goes on. We certainly appreciate your work, and don't >>>> want to discourage your effort, but there's a lot of history with >>>> Aeon. >>>> >>>> I'm not averse to adding it, but things have to be simplified. I'm not >>>> saying it will be easy, but here's my proposal: >>>> >>>> 1. Get the original licensed. Sounds like Duncan is ok with doing >>>> this. >>>> 2. Merge the forks. Yea, I know. This will be rough. I fear that once >>>> one is added, the other forks will cry foul, and say "You added his, >>>> why won't you add mine? Mine is better/more original/slimmer/etc.". >>>> Keep in mind, addons in the repo are for regular users. They have >>>> likely not been to the forum, and know nothing of Aeon's history. And >>>> they have no idea why one Aeon version is betteer/different than >>>> another. Besides, having a few developers work on the same skin is >>>> much more productive than each maintaining their own fork. >>>> 3. Make it work out of the box. This might already be the case with >>>> yours, I'm not sure. If you want to add 10 different options for extra >>>> fanart, thumbs, 4d trailers, fine... just be sure that users switching >>>> from confluence will see similar functionality. If a skin requires >>>> hours/days of configuration that's fine, but it doesn't belong in the >>>> official repo. >>>> >>>> Sorry if that was a bit blunt. With the above things fixed, the skin >>>> would be a great addition to the repo, and we could put the issue to >>>> rest once and for all :) >>>> >>>> Cory >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>>> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>>> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that >>>> run >>>> across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials >>>> today! >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xbmc-addons mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that >>> run >>> across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials >>> today! >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Xbmc-addons mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>> >> >> > > Yep, there's clearly going to be some disagreement here. Internal and > external. All of which is fine as long as we can keep this civilized > and on-track as it has be so far :) > > I certainly agree with Jezz that it needs to work out of the box. I > think that where we differ is that he and some of the others want all > skins and mods to be accepted to the repo. > > To be clear, the xbmc.org repo is one that we maintain. So far, it has > been a significant amount of work for the maintainers to keep up with > the additions and updates. Very significant. So it is not realistic to > say that all additions will be accepted, while still maintaining a > good user experience. > > In the beginning, we decided that (for now), skin mods would not be > allowed. Only full skins. This is to discourage one-time submissions; > As I stated before, we want the addons in the repo to be living, > evolving things. The difference is hard to determine since there is no > real metric. I installed Aeon65 last night and took it for a spin and > it is indeed its own skin. But I think we can all agree that people > who change a few lines of XML have created a mod. So we're going to > have to use our judgment to determine what is a skin and what is a > mod. I believe I acted too quickly in lumping Aeon65 in with the > others and for that I apologize. > > In my opinion, having several skins in the repo that look/feel very > similar is a bad thing. It only confuses users and encourages forks. I > realize that this seems a bit contradictory because of > Alsaska/Revisited, but I would change that if I could redo it. > > So I suggested that the authors work together. If each believes that > their skin is completely independent and should be evaluated on its > own, then that's how it will be. But someone is going to have to make > a judgment call on each. > > Philipp: You're center stage. What's your take on this? > > Cory > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 > The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly > Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run > across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Xbmc-addons mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. 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