On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Philipp Temminghoff <[email protected]> wrote: > IMO Aeon65 and LegacyDark (if it has legal fonts and Ekim232 is willing to > continue development) > should be considered for the repository, they don´t have too much in > common nowadays. > AeonMQ2 is too big, doesn´t have correctly licensed fonts, is not > correctly translated to english > and based on a fairly old Aeon65 build. (I really appreciate his work and > will ask him if he wants to join us, > don´t get me wrong) Aeon ShowMix also still needs a lot of cleaning and > other fonts, don´t know if butchabay will > continue his work there or join our team) > > to jezz_x: > yes, you´re right, things like logo.png or cdart.png require the albums > and tvshows to be in seperate folders, > i kept that in mind during coding. no view (except the dialogseekbar, but > I will change that) relies on those extra images in order to look complete. > > I also want to add that I really appreciate all the work you´re doing, > especially managing the new repo. I just want to help all those people out > who > can´t use git properly in order to get the skin :) > > Sorry for my english btw, not my biggest stregth. > > > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:06:31 +0200, Cory Fields <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jezz_X <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Although I disagree with most of what TheUni has said about this as have >>> other team members, the main things I think we need are the skin must >>> work >>> out of the box 100% for everyone. Now this doesn't mean that all those >>> fancy extra images should show to me but last time I looked AEON >>> versions >>> relied on the not always true fact the users store their movies >>> in separate folders for each movie and if you didn't lots don't work. >>> If this is no longer the case then I'm happy for it to go in as is since >>> AEON65 really is nothing like the original AEON at all aside from >>> general >>> design >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Ppic <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> hi, >>>> >>>> don't know if it will help, but i'll soon pull a new version of logo >>>> downloader which support poster and banner from the tvdb and support >>>> custom >>>> naming. >>>> this will populate your tv show folders with banner.jpg / poster.jpg >>>> etc... in one shot. >>>> this will make easier for end user to get all this kind of varieties >>>> necessary for aeon. >>>> >>>> Ppic >>>> >>>> 2010/10/19 Cory Fields <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Philipp Temminghoff >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Got an answer from DJH: >>>>> > >>>>> > "Funny that. I was just thinking about Aeon the other day. You're >>>>> > welcome >>>>> > to do whatever you like with it. :o)" >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:16:30 +0200, Philipp Temminghoff >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1. Ok, I understand this. Will try to contact DJH. >>>>> >> 2. there are only 3 mods which are Dharma-compatible (mine, >>>>> showcase >>>>> >> and >>>>> >> AeonMQ2) and >>>>> >> the other ones don´t have correctly licensed fonts and are much >>>>> >> bigger. >>>>> >> Don´t really understand your comment about animosity though. >>>>> >> 3. Aeon is probably the most hardware-consuming skin, that´s right. >>>>> >> but that could be shown in the addon description for example. >>>>> >> I also included a first start guide where you´re asked about your >>>>> pc >>>>> >> performance. >>>>> >> the most hardware-consuming things are disabled then. >>>>> >> 4. I´m makin use of several additional files like logo.png and some >>>>> >> more, >>>>> >> nothing different >>>>> >> to the other skins in the official repository >>>>> >> >>>>> >> would be a pity if no Aeon version would make it into the official >>>>> >> repo, >>>>> >> because it´s still one of the most popular skins for xbmc (at >>>>> least >>>>> >> concerning forum participation) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> concerning stability: Aeon65 is stable since an xbmc bug fix (by >>>>> >> jmarshall >>>>> >> I think) several months ago. >>>>> >> just test it (http://github.com/pix/aeon/tree/font_rework) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>>>> >> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>>>> >> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications >>>>> that >>>>> >> run >>>>> >> across multiple browsers and platforms. 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Download your free trials >>>>> > today! >>>>> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Xbmc-addons mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> That's a good start. Please have him commit a license to his github >>>>> repo, then it's a matter of public record. >>>>> >>>>> The other issues still stand. I'll be honest with you... the word >>>>> "Aeon" does not sit well with most XBMC devs. We associate it with >>>>> skin hacks, users doing crazy things, forks, half-completed features, >>>>> bloat, the list goes on. We certainly appreciate your work, and don't >>>>> want to discourage your effort, but there's a lot of history with >>>>> Aeon. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not averse to adding it, but things have to be simplified. I'm not >>>>> saying it will be easy, but here's my proposal: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Get the original licensed. Sounds like Duncan is ok with doing >>>>> this. >>>>> 2. Merge the forks. Yea, I know. This will be rough. I fear that once >>>>> one is added, the other forks will cry foul, and say "You added his, >>>>> why won't you add mine? Mine is better/more original/slimmer/etc.". >>>>> Keep in mind, addons in the repo are for regular users. They have >>>>> likely not been to the forum, and know nothing of Aeon's history. And >>>>> they have no idea why one Aeon version is betteer/different than >>>>> another. Besides, having a few developers work on the same skin is >>>>> much more productive than each maintaining their own fork. >>>>> 3. Make it work out of the box. This might already be the case with >>>>> yours, I'm not sure. If you want to add 10 different options for extra >>>>> fanart, thumbs, 4d trailers, fine... just be sure that users switching >>>>> from confluence will see similar functionality. If a skin requires >>>>> hours/days of configuration that's fine, but it doesn't belong in the >>>>> official repo. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry if that was a bit blunt. With the above things fixed, the skin >>>>> would be a great addition to the repo, and we could put the issue to >>>>> rest once and for all :) >>>>> >>>>> Cory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>>>> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>>>> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that >>>>> run >>>>> across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials >>>>> today! >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Xbmc-addons mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >>>> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >>>> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that >>>> run >>>> across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials >>>> today! >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Xbmc-addons mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons >>>> >>> >>> >> >> Yep, there's clearly going to be some disagreement here. Internal and >> external. All of which is fine as long as we can keep this civilized >> and on-track as it has be so far :) >> >> I certainly agree with Jezz that it needs to work out of the box. I >> think that where we differ is that he and some of the others want all >> skins and mods to be accepted to the repo. >> >> To be clear, the xbmc.org repo is one that we maintain. So far, it has >> been a significant amount of work for the maintainers to keep up with >> the additions and updates. Very significant. So it is not realistic to >> say that all additions will be accepted, while still maintaining a >> good user experience. >> >> In the beginning, we decided that (for now), skin mods would not be >> allowed. Only full skins. This is to discourage one-time submissions; >> As I stated before, we want the addons in the repo to be living, >> evolving things. The difference is hard to determine since there is no >> real metric. I installed Aeon65 last night and took it for a spin and >> it is indeed its own skin. But I think we can all agree that people >> who change a few lines of XML have created a mod. So we're going to >> have to use our judgment to determine what is a skin and what is a >> mod. I believe I acted too quickly in lumping Aeon65 in with the >> others and for that I apologize. >> >> In my opinion, having several skins in the repo that look/feel very >> similar is a bad thing. It only confuses users and encourages forks. I >> realize that this seems a bit contradictory because of >> Alsaska/Revisited, but I would change that if I could redo it. >> >> So I suggested that the authors work together. If each believes that >> their skin is completely independent and should be evaluated on its >> own, then that's how it will be. But someone is going to have to make >> a judgment call on each. >> >> Philipp: You're center stage. What's your take on this? >> >> Cory >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 >> The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly >> Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run >> across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Xbmc-addons mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 > The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly > Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run > across multiple browsers and platforms. 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Yep, sounds good to me. Have a discuss. See who wants to work together. Then we'll evaluate submissions as they come in. Phillipp: Thanks for being reasonable. That makes this all much easier :) Cory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Xbmc-addons mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xbmc-addons
