Hi,
My comments may not always be fully relevant, as I am not sure I understood
everything right.
About the Manage vs Browse initial debate, I guess the 6.1b3 solution of
manage then browse is too deep in levels. I would prefer that the task
management opens on tun points list of the active task and have access to
task list, Calc and others in a second step (as I see the sizing case is the
in-flight active task modification).
But my main comment is that the status of a task is unclear.
If I understand correctly, you currently need to activate a task prior any
modification.
I would prefer the capability for changing any tasks, and a clear status
ident for each task in the list whether it is the active one, and/or it is
unsaved.
For instance a prefix (A) for the active one, a (*) for the modified-unsaved
tasks, and a confirmation at exit whether to save or discard (better than
"revert"). Haven't thought much about the most appropriate feedback though.
Note that after "reverting" the changes, the "Close" button remains black
filled whereas it should be white filled. And Target should be greyed if no
active task is set, same for "declare" when a logger is not connected
(instead of having the message afterwards). Also on labels, "Perf." or
"Perfos" may be more appropriate than "Calculate".
Hope it helps anyway
Adrien
v6.1b3, WM5 on iPaq 1950
2011/4/23 CWH <c...@online.de>
> Hi, Rob!
>
> Nice to see! Ok, now we´re able to *create* :-))
> The Manage Button is OK, I like that, too...
>
> Yes, that´s nearly the behaviour, I´d expect when opening a program,
> clicking on a target on the screen -> nav -> task manager -> manage create
> etc ... ok.
> I think most of people will agree with that and find it to be simple and
> intuitive.
>
> I definitely would place thet manage button in portrait mode, too...
>
> let us /me play a while to find more hints for that ..
>
>
> hmm..
>
> ***
> lets talk about placement in order of "importance".
>
> >my< choice would be the following
>
> manage
> browse
> turnpoints
> rules
> calc
> close
>
>
> ***
> Opening the task *manager*, I´d expect at first to see the *manager* (the
> manage - button) not the *calc* screen. (most of informations of calc
> screen is placed in info boxes, i guess... and MC can be varied on the main
> screen, too...). In my opinion, the calc screen is nice to have, but not
> that much important, isn´t it?
>
>
>
> ***
> When opening the task manager, I think it would be a nice idea to write
> the current/active task in the opening window just above the *new task*
> and *declare button* right beside that little task preview window,
> wouldn´t it? It´s much place on that window...
>
> something like
>
> "current task: 11 donut cup (AAT)"
>
> NEW TASK DECLARE
>
>
> or
>
> "current task: 11 donut cup (racing) 354km"
>
> NEW TASK DECLARE
>
>
>
> ***
> How do you want to "activate" the task beeing used?
> Leaving the modified/created /loaded task and pressing FLY?
>
>
> just a hint:
> in WP this is solved in a -in my opinion- really simple way. You can have
> 50(?) tasks and all of them are numbered. Only the task 0 is the one, that
> is active and possible to declare to the loggers.
> So just copy your task or rename it "0" and thats all.
>
>
> ***
> I know, that XC has an even bigger choice of tasks and names and so.
> Maybe a different color in Task Browser for the active task is used?
> Or the active task has a Big Black "A" as the very first character in
> browser?
>
>
> ***
> When in *Manage Browse * I suggest it would be a nice Idea to put a
> "activate" button at the bottom?
> You only have 3 buttons - one is left :-)
>
> --> *load rename delete activate* (or "make current") if you need
> to avoid is a nearness to WP :-)
>
> So you don´t have to load, save, leave and fly, just "activate" that and
> declare to logger...
> (maybe best in *one* step???) *<- "great" idea - why not?
> *
> What do you think about that??
> In competitions we (and I guess most pilots do so) are programming 2 tasks
> ore more hours before start and choice just 5 minute before start.. So
> every minute saved will be important..
>
>
> OK, girl friend is awake now .. I have to stop now and make some coffee
> ;-)))
> more individual opinions coming up soon...
>
>
> regs, Claus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 22.04.2011 19:54, schrieb Rob Dunning:
>
> Please review the following Task Manager mocks
> for "Declare" and "New Task" usability:
> www.tinyurl.com/xcsoardevrld/TaskManager/TaskManagerMock3/index.html
>
> As usual, post comments to newsgroup.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
> At 07:10 AM 4/20/2011, Rob Dunning wrote:
>
> Clause,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> I'll look into combining the 6.0 and 6.1 task
> manager screens to make this clearer.
>
> Rob
>
> At 01:37 AM 4/20/2011, CWH wrote:
>
>
> Ok. Did that.
> And it works.
>
> But I want to add or create a new task not delet
> or save as. What, if no task exists??
> Difficult behavior in HMI, in my opinion. This
> will stop hundreds of newbies - I´m sure.
>
>
> I think a couple of simple task-buttons like
>
> create
> load
> edit -> save / save as
> delete
> activate
>
> would be a really fine and simple solution...
>
> This one goes from your belly button through
> your ears and ellbows to the target..
> It´s simply not possible to start XC and add a
> new task without knowing some really strange
> behaviour of this HMI ... In my opinion the old one was slightly better
>
> regs claus
>
>
>
> Am 10.04.2011 23:39, schrieb Helmut Reinert:
>
> I`m wondering that in 6.1 Alpha PPC 2003 some
> features seems to be suddenly completely lost:
>
> 1.The Baro-Altitude for instance given by Flarm is no more displayed.
> 2.There is no possibility to declare a task.
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>
> Datum: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:47:51 +0200
> Von: CWH <mailto:c...@online.de> <c...@online.de><c...@online.de>
> <c...@online.de>
> An:
>
> <mailto:xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>
> Betreff: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar 6.1 alpha
>
> hmmm..
> maybe - I´m a little bit blind, but I can´t find that, too..
>
> I´m able to edit, close (really a GREAT button ..) calculate, but Create
> or NEW ???
>
> Just missing that item..
>
> ???
>
> regs, claus
>
>
>
> Hi Claus,I have no more difficulties there.
> Delete the active Task and for a new one
> activate the Button "Turn Points" ....., or
> "Browse" to choose a Task in your stock.
> Helmut
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Ok. Did that.
> And it works.
>
> But I want to add or create a new task not delet
> or save as. What, if no task exists??
> Difficult behavior in HMI, in my opinion. This
> will stop hundreds of newbies - I´m sure.
>
>
> I think a couple of simple task-buttons like
>
> create
> load
> edit -> save / save as
> delete
> activate
>
> would be a really fine and simple solution...
>
> This one goes from your belly button through
> your ears and ellbows to the target..
> It´s simply not possible to start XC and add a
> new task without knowing some really strange
> behaviour of this HMI ... In my opinion the old one was slightly better
>
> regs claus
>
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