Thank you all for your reply. Best regards. PeterK
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From: Max Kellermann <m...@duempel.org>
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On 2012/04/25 01:46, Peter Kovari <p.kov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> is there a device that could connect hardwire direct into my CAI 302
> without any external device?
No, not if you want Android. CAI302 talks the RS-232 protocol, which
Android does not understand, so you need some sort of active adapter
between the two (IOIO or Bluetooth adapter).
Max
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Hi Peter,
?
currently, as you might have already heard, the Dell Streak 5 is considered
state-of-the-art Android device for glider applications and for running XCSoar,
due to?its?bright display.? Since the Streak 5 has been discontinued by Dell
you get them in Ebay between 150 to 200 EUR approximately.
?
>From my personal experience (so far some 50+ flying hours) with?the?my new
Dell and BT connection, the connection works absolutely stable.? I was
sceptical at the beginning, since I was used to connect my Ipaq via a hardwired
interface to the GPS source, but now I love the BT connection.? It also offers
great flexiblity for future hardware updates.
?
Hope that helps your decision making.
?
Cheers
Sascha
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Von: Peter Kovari <p.kov...@sbcglobal.net>
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Gesendet: 1:46 Mittwoch, 25.April 2012
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Dear all. I am a newbie to xcsoar and so far very impressed with the system
and support.
I downloaded and now successfully tried it on my Samsung Charge mobil phone.
It is not as sunlight readable as a lot others I am sure but better than the
Ipaq 5150 utilizing WinPilot.
As the Charge is my primary cell phone I am considering a stand alone Android
device, perhaps one that has been a proven success.
My question ; is there a device that could connect hardwire direct into my
CAI 302 without any external device? ( I don't have great success so far with
blue tooth devices but who knows that could change).
Any word of wisdom appreciated.
PeterK
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>?? 3. Re: XCSoar exited mid-flight (Max Kellermann)
>?? 4. Re: Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight (Evan Ludeman)
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>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:36:43 -0400
>From: David Reitter <david.reit...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] XCSOAR on 7" Android
>To: Mike Hostage <hijack...@yahoo.com>
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>On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Mike Hostage wrote:
>
>> I had a great flight Saturday with XCSOAR 6.3 running on a 7" Android. I
used the K6BT to port my CA301 to the program. My old eyes like the larger 7"
screen, over my current IPAQ 3955. The problem is the terrible screen washout
in the cockpit.
>>
>> I was wondering if others had found a 7" tablet computer with a good,
sunlight compatible screen?
>
>As others said, consider living with a Dell Streak 5 rather than the 7.?
>See here for a direct comparison of the Streak with the popular HP iPAQ
310/314 and an iPhone 4:
>
>http://www.davids-world.com/bigtrip/streak5_vs_ipaq310/index.html
>
>(I also used to have older PDAs such as a Dell Axim x51v and various Palms,
which were all (apart from the very first Palm Pilot) pretty much unreadable in
our application.? The 310 was the first device I found readable in a glider,
though its power problems marred an otherwise useful piece of kit.)
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>From: Ramy Yanetz <ryan...@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd:? XCSoar exited mid-flight
>To: Max Kellermann <m...@duempel.org>
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>Perhaps the auto rotation should be disabled by default. After all what good
will it do if the screen auto rotates when you bank hard?
>
>Ramy
>
>On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Max Kellermann <m...@duempel.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes <bnlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation" feature, to keep
>>> the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During flight, the
>>> phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the crash.
Since
>>> I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>>
>> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on a lot
>> of Android phones.? Rotating the display is something that seems
>> likely to trigger such a bug.? I have seen this in Google Maps, too!
>>
>> If this is the cause of your problems, then this is not specific to
>> XCSoar, and unfortunately there is nothing I can do to help.? There is
>> no remedy other than getting a new Android version with updated
>> drivers (which is impossible for most phones).
>>
>> In any case, write a bug report with a logcat, so we can confirm it
>> (and document it).
>>
>> Max
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>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:49:27 +0200
>From: Max Kellermann <m...@duempel.org>
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] XCSoar exited mid-flight
>To: Tibor Arpas <ti...@bidforfix.com>
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>On 2012/04/24 15:05, Tibor Arpas <ti...@bidforfix.com> wrote:
>> But most of the time I prefer stability and reliability over new
>> featers in my gliding computer. Is that just my taste? What do the
>> developers think about a "long term support" version?
>
>We don't have the resources to maintain a second stable branch.? It's
>really boring work, 90% of which I have to do myself.? Maintaining an
>even older branch is just more boring, with only few users and no
>future.
>
>We try our best to keep one stable branch with regular bug fix
>releases.? We cannot ultimately preclude regressions.
>
>Every one of you can help make XCSoar more stable by taking time and
>test it with replays, verify calculations, and writing bug reports,
>responding to questions we have.? I'm glad that this works well
>already.
>
>Max
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:54:16 -0400
>From: Evan Ludeman <tangoei...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd: XCSoar exited mid-flight
>To: Xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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>Caught in the act, ticket #2034.? If I need to use different options for
>the logfile, LMK.
>
>-Evan
>
>On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Max Kellermann <m...@duempel.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes <bnlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation" feature, to keep
>> > the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During flight, the
>> > phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the crash.
>> Since
>> > I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>>
>> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on a lot
>> of Android phones.? Rotating the display is something that seems
>> likely to trigger such a bug.? I have seen this in Google Maps, too!
>>
>> If this is the cause of your problems, then this is not specific to
>> XCSoar, and unfortunately there is nothing I can do to help.? There is
>> no remedy other than getting a new Android version with updated
>> drivers (which is impossible for most phones).
>>
>> In any case, write a bug report with a logcat, so we can confirm it
>> (and document it).
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
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>On 24/04/2012 17:40, Ramy Yanetz wrote:
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>> Perhaps the auto rotation should be disabled by default. After all what
good will it do if the screen auto rotates when you bank hard?
>
>You would have to do a negative G manoeuvre, like a slow roll, to get
>the display to rotate :-0.
>
>Unless you are holding the device by hand in the cockpit, which is
>probably not recommended.
>
>> On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Max Kellermann<m...@duempel.org>? wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012/04/24 17:16, Brunno Lopes<bnlo...@gmail.com>? wrote:
>>>> I've solved this by disabling the "screen auto rotation" feature, to keep
>>>> the screen always on portrait or landscape position. During flight, the
>>>> phone's position may change too fast and it seems to cause the crash.
Since
>>>> I disabled this feature, XCSoar has been very stable.
>>>
>>> That's a good hint - I have observed buggy graphics drivers on a lot
>>> of Android phones.? Rotating the display is something that seems
>>> likely to trigger such a bug.? I have seen this in Google Maps, too!
>
>I have never managed to trigger an Android bug on my Dell by rotating it
>with XCSoar running - on the ground not in the air! So disabling this is
>not a feature that would be required on all devices.
>
>Ian
>
>PS: On a lighter note, maybe the USA competition rules committee would
>judge this to be a feature which "allows flight without reference to the
>ground" ;-)
>
>
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>From: Sascha Haffner <s_haff...@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Fwd:? XCSoar exited mid-flight
>To: Ian <ian-xcs...@zsd.co.za>, "xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net"
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>Neither did I, not even during wave turbulence this Spring in the
mountains.? It seems to me that neither air turbulence?(at least not the one
you survive to tell about :-)) nor the bumps during landing on a grassy field
seem to trigger display rotation on my Dell.? I assume the G loads are just to
short.? Therefore, no problem.? Luckily the Dell also doesn't crash when I
force display rotation on the ground.? But I shamefully admit, I didn't try
flying XC?inverted (yet) :-)
>?
>Keep up the great work.
>?
>Cheers
>Sascha
>
>
>________________________________
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>Gesendet: 17:58 Dienstag, 24.April 2012
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>
>"I have never managed to trigger an Android bug on my Dell by rotating it
>with XCSoar running - on the ground not in the air! So disabling this is
>not a feature that would be required on all devices.
>
>Ian"
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