On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:58:46AM +1000, Alan Wilson wrote:
> Ronald,
> 
> I don't need an ASI: the pneumatic 53mm or 78 mm round thing that goes into
> the instrument panel.  I would like a 'black box' that could provide an
> airspeed data stream into a mini USB [and USB 5 volts]
> 
> With my stand alone GPS I can derive wind speed and direction by thermalling
> or doing 3 turns or so.   [and the GPS produces all the other XCSoar
> functions]
> 
> In wave flying doing 3 turns may lose the wave.   I believe to derive wind
> speed and direction in straight and level flight  I need a digital feed of
> airspeed compatible with XC Soar.  [Wind velocity can be derived by
> computation using [GPS] ground track and speed, and indicated airspeed
> data.]
> 
> What I currently take in club gliders is a simple open source Chinese car
> GPS and I derive 5 volts via a car charger.  [AS SEEN IN THE ATTACHED
> PICTURE].   I either RAM mount connect it to the instrument panel, or Velcro
> the GPS to my leg.  [We don't like suction caps as we believe they will
> distort the Perspex canopy over time.]
> 
> What I am looking for is a 'black box' that has inputs of pitot pressure and
> 10 to 24 volts DC and outputs an XCSoar bitstream and 5 volts to a mini USB
> plug.  An additional input consideration could be FLARM data.
> 
> Pitot pressure data may be available from a B50 or Cambridge SNAV LNAV but
> compatible plugs, wiring and black box may still be required.
> 
> Cost.  Hmmmm.  Chinese GPS cost $80 ~ $100 AUST.  Oudie say $600, or
> hardwired proprietary LXNAV  $ ,000 in each club glider. And this device
> would only give me wind speed and direction in level flight [that I can
> derive in 3 turns]... So I guess $150 would be a target price for the black
> box?

There is your blackbox: 
http://www.tasmaninstruments.com.au/Fp10_fb.htm
But it costs 610 USD. 

What i don't get is why you don't want to use the Borgelt B50's serial out? 

Fiddeling with the tubing everytime you want to fly a club glider, seems
risky, proably illegal, and a really bad idea in a club fleet. 

The next issue you will face is the fact that your chinese gps only has
a usb client port. That means whatever device you connect this to needs
to be a usb-host and there need to be drivers for the os on your
navigation device. I see here very little potential success rate.  

What might be an option is if the navigation device supports life
traffic data (TMC) via an external connector. Usually a 3.5mm jack. This
is actually a serial port running at 4800 baud.   

The third option is a serial bluetooth adapter at the back of the
borgelt. Proabably the easiest/best/cost effective supported solution:   

http://www.iogear.com/product/GBS301/

I don't know any solutions for the winter vario.

Hope that helps. 

 - Folken



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