On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <[email protected]> wrote: > i'm starting a new thread for this because it really is a parallel issue and i > don't want to hijack Vincent's thread to discuss it > > On February 16, 2010, Daniel Stone wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:21:02AM -0800, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> > On February 16, 2010, Vincent Untz wrote: >> > > I learnt a few days ago that we finally have a xdg-specs git repo. So >> > > let's move forward :-) >> > >> > great! >> > >> > now, how do people get push access to it? trolling around on >> > http://www.freedesktop.org i couldn't find instructions on how to apply >> > for an account or who would qualify for it. >> >> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/AccountRequests -- incidentally, this is > > it's not linked to from: > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/GettingInvolved > > but it is linked to from the next sentence in the paragraph on the main page. > the linked sentence itself is: "See AccountRequests for information on how to > obtain CVS access to a project." CVS? > > the text on AccountRequests is the opposite of friendly: "To obtain an account > for a project hosted by freedesktop.org, you must follow these rules. Failure > to do so will probably result in your request getting dropped on the floor. > Don't take it personally if it does, the rules are there to make sure it > doesn't happen, so if they aren't followed ..." > > that doesn't particularly make me want to get involved. > > the page doesn't describe who would qualify for an account or who i should > consult to see i i might qualify (i've got to figure that part out for myself; > ime, contributors rarely manage that on their own) > > the instructions are poor: > > "Create a bug asking for an account. Select the Product that corresponds to > the Project for which you are requesting access. If there's no product in > bugzilla for the project in question, file it against the freedesktop.org > product, in the New Accounts component." > > there is no hint as to what to use as the title or the component; i assume > that noticing requests for accounts happens by diligent people reading through > all new bug reports? sounds like a system that lends itself to accidental > failure? > > i'd like to do more than observe/complain, but i can't edit any of these pages > because the wiki is locked down even when logged in. so, sorry about not doing > something about the above. > > compare and contrast the AccountsRequest page with what we use in KDE: > > http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account > https://sysadmin.kde.org/svnaccount/ > > other projects, i'm sure, have similarly comprehensive solutions that we can > also use as examples. i know we probably do not have the resources around fd.o > to implement something very elaborate, but we can improve what we have now. > > as a start, can we unlock the website wiki for people who are logged in? > how do wiki accounts get approved for editing, for that matter? > >> also aliased by: >> http://www.google.com/search?q=new+account+freedesktop.org&btnI=I'm+Feeling >> +Lucky > > using google as a replacement for discoverability on the project's own website > isn't a great answer. > > the search on freedesktop.org does indeed work, though, for "account"; i > should have tried that, sorry. > >> > how long does it take to get an account set up? >> >> Not long. > > how long is long? > what is the policy on what is too long?
That page should read "Too Long", in all honesty. I just got an account on Feb 1st, 2010 after requesting it Jan 7th, 2009. Thirteen months and a week delay. Not a lot of faith left in this organization after a wait like that. -A. Walton >> > who is responsible for making this happen? (and hopefully it's more than >> > one person) >> >> A few people. Not me. > > where are these "few people" defined? > what is the community accountability? > how do they know if a request should get approved for a given product? > > in general, there is a lack of transparency that makes it more difficult than > necessary to get a grasp on how to get involved (or even if one would want > to). > > i would like to help fd.o document the processes better, improve the clarity o > the website (starting with examining who can edit it) and re-assess how git > accounts are handed. > > thoughts? > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > humru othro a kohnu se > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 > > KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
