Of course windows get *minimized* to either a task bar, or the desktop, and not to the tray. But this is for when you *close* a window and the program still stays running with a tray icon, such as skype, or qjackctl, and so on, or when a window *opens* itself initially, from a program that owns a tray icon.

As for wayland, i don't know enough about it, but i would imagine it would be trivial to adapt this simple mechanism to wayland.

On 09/08/15 04:48, Philipp A. wrote:
i don’t think that X11-only solutions make sense in 2015, with wayland implemented in the big DEs and just waiting for a bit more polish and testing.

and the notification area isn’t where stuff gets minimized to – that’s the task bar. what are the advantages of deviating from this thing that *all* applications can do, and do something else instead? are a launcher/taskbar entry with quicklist, counter, progressbar, and dynamic interaction via MPRIS and a independent notification icon not enough for your application?

the only similar thing i can think of is that task icons are often able to launch programs (e.g. the printer notification icon can launch a printer config dialog, and the update notification a system updater), so maybe it would make sense to tell WMs where some application launched from, maybe also generalized: clicked it in a panel menu? launched from the window menu of another application? notification area? task bar? “WM, please create this window with a launch animation coming from this rectangle”

best, philipp

Éric Tremblay <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> schrieb am Di., 8. Sep. 2015 um 00:40 Uhr:


    Hello everyone,

    I'm programming little "zoom" animations in XFCE to show the user in a
    logical way, for example, where to click to get a window back when it
    minimizes, or where a window "comes from" when it appears, if that
    applies. The biggest problem with this is that there's no standard way
    for the different processes (window manager, tray icon manager(s),
    etc)
    to determine or communicate with each other where the *tray icons*
    are.

    Taking example of the _NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY window property, i think
    i've come up with a clean, simple, and reliable solution. Here's a
    description of how i implemented this in XFCE, however i attempted to
    make it as portable and non-wm-specific as possible, depending only on
    X11/Xlib internals.

    I'm simply using an X property on the root window of the display
    called
    _NET_WM_TRAY_ICON_GEOMETRIES which follows a simple format. It's an
    array of strings, with each string representing a tray icon, and
    following a format like:

    "mgr=systray,classname=blueman,pid=4522,x=1332,y=1,w=22,h=22"

    In this example, the "mgr" field indcates that this entry was added by
    the "systray" pluign. This information lets more than one "tray"
    process
    manage the string array on a given X display (as is the case with
    XFCE's
    "systray" (aka "notify") and "indicator" panel plugins) and also
    avoids
    the problem where different processes would add duplicate information,
    whcih would quickly saturate the string array. The "classname"
    field is
    pretty self-explanatory, it's the class name of whatever window(s)
    match
    up with this systray icon. The "pid" field can help in matching
    windows
    that have nonexistent or weird class names. If it's absent or equal to
    -1, then that means the PID of the process owning the icon couldn't be
    determined. Finally we have the x,y,w,h screen coordinates of this
    tray
    icon. In my implementation the fields may be read in any order,
    but it's
    better to write them in a more consistent format such as the above.

    (at least for now) If a string contains any semicolon ";" or newline
    characters, these should be treated as separating the entry into
    several
    entries.

    Upon creating a new systray icon, modifying an existing one, or
    deleting
    a systray icon, a tray manager process such as the "indicator" plugin
    would do something like the following:

         - choose a name that preferably describes its process name,
    such as
    "indicator", "notify", or "systray" - this would be the "mgr"
    field. It
    should be consistent for the entire lifespan of the tray manager
    process.

         - grab the X server to avoid race conditions with other tray
    managers

         - fetch the strings from the _NET_WM_TRAY_ICON_GEOMETRIES
    property
    on the X server's root window

         - *remove* all entries whose "mgr" field matches its own chosen
    process name

         - for each tray icon managed by this process: append a string to
    the array in the above format, omitting the "pid" field or setting
    it to
    -1 if the PID corresponding to the tray icon can't be determined, and
    omitting the "classname" field or setting it to zero-length if the
    class
    name can't be determined. If both can't be determined for a specific
    entry, it's pretty useless to add that entry.

         - write the string array to the _NET_WM_TRAY_ICON_GEOMETRIES
    property on the X server's root window

         - ungrab the X server


    The window manager can then easily determine if it should perform an
    animation to/from a tray icon when a window opens or closes, and
    if so,
    what the screen coordinates of this icon are. In case both a
    _NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY is present *and* a match in the root window's
    _NET_WM_TRAY_ICON_GEOMETRIES array is found, it's up to the window
    manager to determine which one should take precedence, based on
    factors
    such as the window's class/role, whether it is itself the window's
    owner, and so on. In some cases, it's also desirable to not
    perform the
    animation, for example if there are several open windows matching the
    same tray icon - in this case, we'd normally want to animate only the
    last one to close.

    It's also possible to setup a table of "equivalent names" for
    processes,
    for example we'd want pavucontrol windows (the PulseAudio volume
    control) to be considered as belonging to the indicator-sound-service
    process if it's running.

    Anyway, i've been running my implementation of this on 2 of my own
    machines for a while now, and it seems to work very well.

    Cheers,

       - Éric "delt" Tremblay.


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